Senate Pandemics in the Age of Globalization: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion: See OP Warning

Wishing you and your kids a speedy recovery, @Vaderize03

 

Question about anti-vitals. How does using them effect the immune system’s ability to detect a virus in the future?

Vaccines are amazing because they give our immune system the defense it earns from getting sick without having to get sick.

It’s my understanding anti-virals slow the spread of a virus in a body leaving less work for the immune system. They more or less run interference against the virus but aren’t working directly with the immune system.

 

Doctor Fauci didn't attend the White House Correspondents dinner due to COVID concerns but did go to the pre-party. He probably just was looking for an out to attending the dinner (there was a solid zinger by Trevor Noah about everyone ditching masks for a free dinner)

haven't done much at all restaurant dining myself (only once in December '21) but have one or two had indoor house parties, movie theatre attendance (they dropped the vax pass though but masked and giant spaces with airplane-like ventilation and I'm triple vaxed and double masked) and outdoor sporting events.

 

Antivirals lower viral load, but the immune system still has enough stimulus to fight it off. They’re not so effective that they prevent an immune response. Monoclonal antibodies, on the other hand, can deplete the virus to the extent that the immune system doesn’t have a chance to function. We don’t see the same issue with the oral antivirals.

 

Some (but not a lot) of patients are seeing viral loads return back up after taking Paxloid:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ts-who-relapse-after-covid-pill-can-take-more

They are trying to figure out why as they do think it has to do with the new variants though it is strange for it to work while someone takes it and then jumps back up when they are done. As the Pfizer CEO said, most likely they will just give additional doses if needed.

 

I trust to Pfizer CEO to be forthcoming about the effectiveness of his company's product. The solution is to buy more!

 

if the Pfizer CEO really wanted to prevent more variants, then they would have made the vaccine available to any place capable of producing the vaccine as soon as possible

as it is, here we are a couple years into the Pandemic and still vaccine availability is still not being equitably distributed

 

I’m not sure how clinically meaningful this will be in a real-world setting. The majority of people are not taking anti-virals, and usually clear the virus by day 10 at the latest. If rebound is a serious issue, then the course needs to be longer, or needs to be resumed after a brief pause to allow residual virus to replicate and then be suppressed. The article bears those points out. The majority of cases are occurring in people with compromised immune systems.

Need more data here either way.

 

White House Correspondents Dinner was a superspreader event, just as anyone with more than one brain cell (including Anthony Fauci) predicted.

 

No!

 

And my kids daycare is reimplementing masks, all on their own. kids, parents and teachers all need to wear masks starting tomorrow.

One of the toddlers got covid over Easter, so there's been some close calls. Makes sense.

 

And ... my 3 yo is out of day care again. Another of his classmates has covid. Last contact was yesterday., pre new mask rules. Can't go back until at least Monday, w a neg test.

Since Apr 15, he's probably been there 4 days lol.

 

It's not a rollercoaster "ride" if it never ends. Hospitalizations/ICU occupancy are ticking up again nationally. In Illinois, the numbers look a bit like late November 2021. Since the start of the pandemic, late June 2021 was the best Illinois has done, with only a few hundred cases a day. Now it's several thousand a day, hasn't dropped below a 1k/day average since mid 2021. Soon, July 19, Illinois will celebrate a full year of averaging at least 1k cases per day.

This year: no mask mandate. There has been a small protest in Chicago demanding a return of the mask mandate. It could happen, maybe.

 

There will be another mask mandate when official US deaths approach 2 million. Promise.

 

Not if the Supreme Court has anything to say about it, there won't.

 

We had our outdoor concert last week and I bought a pollen filtering mask on Amazon to try. It kept me cool and kept my allergies at bay. Masking continues to be the most effective solution.

 

Hayfever here too. Skipped a birthday party even after a negative COVID test. I’m sure it’s bad allergies but just incase.

As long as hospitals aren’t overwhelmed I don’t think there will be any additional mitigation rules. The current number of cases and deaths have been deemed acceptable for society to function,

That medicinal providers are over worked and stretched thin effecting the quality of medical care is acceptable too.

This was never as much about saving individual lives as it was about keeping society running and the system of order from collapsing.

For the world to shut down the way it did in 2020 - means the prospect of what the pandemic could have been before vaccines was apocalyptically bad.

A reason China may still be having lockdowns is that with their huge population and apparently less effective vaccines their society is still in a dangerous position.

 

From what I've read, it also has to do with their zero-covid policy.
Recent videos from Shanghai show the extent to which they're reportedly going:

 

Somehow children decked out in PPE is a dystopian nightmare while letting the virus run rampant among a low-vaccinated group (0% for six years old and younger) is just fine.

 

That is a very weird definition of dystopian nightmare.
Which isn't surprising rhetoric, though, given that it is coming from the "lockdowns don't work, masks don't work, vaccines don't work, requiring vaccination is unjust discrimination" camp. The COVID denialists have to act like doing anything about COVID is the worst thing imaginable to justify their own push to do nothing about COVID ever

 

"Somehow" is simple: you aren't going to have many nightmares about statistics - they're a lot easier to not think about than the quite powerful image of kids decked in gear reminiscent of hazmat workers'.

And yes, it's irrational.

 

Masks work and vaccines work. Though, from the data available, Chinese vaccines are not quite as effective as other vaccines.
I have yet to see any scientific evidence that putting kids in full PPE for school is going to make them safer than masks alone.
And while I wouldn't call it dystopian, it does seem like a bit of overkill.

 

I would rather have overkill than the bare minimum. We still know very little about the long-term effects of COVID. Every infection prevented is a good thing for the life of the individual as well as the effect on society of millions of long COVID sufferers-- which China would have if they had taken the US approach-- or who knows what else will pop up down the line.

 

You don't know from first-hand experience what overkill in an authoritarian state means. It means the government literally doesn't care if you live or die. They'll just implement their policies at any cost.