Amph Waiting For Superman: Gunnverse DCU/Elseworlds

The documentary about Corman's cancelled Fantastic Four film is of infinitely higher quality than unreleased the film it covers.

 

everyone will, merk - whatever people think of its collective quality, marvel has created a machine that will never be replicated or challenged, at least from a box office sense.

bloodthirsty capitalist dog from the discovery channel should be charting a unique path for dc and warner bros. if he wants a universe of his own, the foundation has to be built - snyder's was built on toothpick stilts, which is why the critical reception to one film crippled an entire studio for five years. can either take the time and bet on the patience of the public while he does that, or go the more compact route of making quality single films or trilogies, which they did with nolan batman and appear to be doing again with reeves.

 

I tend to think this is largely the result of Peters poisoning WB’s film division against Superman by repeatedly restating his obsessive argument that the colorful costume and flying were lame, over and over again… while the great irony was that the TV side of WB (cartoons *and* live action) were always glad to use him, and didn’t seem to struggle at all with figuring out how they’d modify him for their own ends - and generally to success.

I think Peters likely had a similar circular logic impact on Superman as a whole with WB’s film division as Nolan and Bale did on Robin specifically with the Batman franchise - they started an argument the character was lame on some level in spite of acknowledging his potential, and made WB films insecure about the character.

And it’s always been a little bit weird that WB was so paranoid about letting anyone else do a live action Batman thing during the 00’s because it might “devalue” the movie version, so much so they even “embargoed” animated versions of his villains and supporting cast for a while on JLU, but had no issues with Smallville running at the same time as Superman Returns, and never once impacted his supporting cast and villains on JLU.

Maybe that’s the biggest red flag about WB’s treatment of its properties - it’s arbitrary, inconsistent, and flighty, even in simply increasing brand awareness through TV shows, cartoons, and movies.

 

they put the superman returns suit on clark in the smallville finale!

smallville was so good.

 

IIRC, we got Smallville because the Young Bruce Wayne show originally pitched was in conflict with their feature film plans for the reasons that you mention. Because, once again, WB didn't know what to do with Superman and after Superman Lives got axed and Wild Wild West showed that Peters giant mech spider ideas weren't so hot afterall, they probably figured "WTH- we did Lois & Clark already" and let them use Superman instead. And since Smallville was already running by time Returns revved up, it was too late to enforce the same ideals (and/or Smallville could clearly be seen as it's own thing, distinct from what the films would be doing; ie: lack of capes & costumes initially, etc).

 

It wasn’t perfect, they probably should have bit the bullet and just made him Superman around Season 8-9, and there was a really struggling part in the middle… but I think it still has the best Lois Lane in live action, period, and emphasized something that I think WB should realize: the Superman franchise really, really, works with an emphasis on romance with a deuteragonist Action Girl Lois Lane.

Seriously; the closer Lois is to being “Journalist John McClane As A Woman,” the better her interactions with Clark/Superman get for *everyone* in both the audience and character ensemble. Honestly, I think that’s part of the reason why the Reeves Superman!/Superman Returns!Lois is kind of boring and lame - since she’s just another damsel in distress - and why the Snyder!Lois was okay in MOS but boring afterwards - because she had an action scene but it wasn’t a part of her character.

 

yeah, i agree on lois, she was such a strong point in some of the weaker later seasons. also think it's the best versions of lex luthor, martha/jonathan kent. and braniac (human form) that we've gotten.

 

who are you arguing with?

 

This is about the Yankees isn't it...?