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Speculation Post-TROS state of the galaxy (Newer Republic? Multiple regional powers? Other?)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Future Films - Spoilers Allowed' started by Ghost, May 8, 2023.

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What should be the new state of the galaxy?

  1. Newer Repunlic/Third Republic (the Galactic Republic restored. with some changes from the NR)

    33.3%
  2. Multi-state galaxy (dozens to thousands of independent republics, kingdoms, other types, etc.)

    60.0%
  3. Something else? (please describe)

    6.7%
  1. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    I am really in between the Third Republic or a couple of different governments.
    Probably both.

    basically there is still a republic but it’s much smaller than the new or original republic
     
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  2. Jo Lucas

    Jo Lucas Jedi Master star 4

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    option 1 would be too boring, another republic? again? really?

    i'm voting for option 2. in fact that's really interesting never thought about. there could be several different governments. some might want to restore the jedi to its past glory, some might reject them, some might be more democratic, others more authoritarian like the Empire/First Order. there's a lot of storytelling potential (this is why i think option 1 would be pretty boring, considering we have seen this twice)

    before tros was release, in my head a good idea for the post sequel status quo would be to have a form of galatic alliance to resist newer threats. kinda like a bigger Resistance, something like that. but not a republic in the traditional star wars sense.
     
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  3. Happy Sando

    Happy Sando Jedi Master star 4

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    I know this'll read like a non-descript, vague, cop out of an answer, but honestly, I think it should be whatever serves the story best. Depending on which characters we're gonna follow (and where we're gonna follow them) we might not even need any of this established.

    That being said, I wouldn't have a problem with another Republic, given how cyclical Star Wars history is supposed to be. Even if there isn't one, and they do establish something different, I'd firmly believe that it'd inevitably end up evolving into another Republic before too long. It's just the way it goes.
     
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  4. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    A New Republic is the only choice, really. Or the Galaxy fall into chaos and decline, no Jedi could stop it without a Republic.
     
  5. Joshyman

    Joshyman Jedi Youngling

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    I like option 2 the best out of those listed. It can make for some interesting stories and push Star Wars into a new direction.
    The galaxy is split between 2-3 factions or possibly more. There is mostly a cease fire as most systems are tired of the last several decades being consumed by warfare so no one wants full scale conflict but no one trusts each other and everyone is trying to always gain the upper hand through spies, espionage, economic sanctions and unfair political elections. The role of the Jedi can be the peacekeepers and regulators of this Cold War peace. The villains can be organizations that create weapons and battle starships for the galaxy and having them attempt to starting wars so they can continue to stay in business and power. Perhaps their leader is a dark side user or someone fascinated by the dark side of the force.
     
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  6. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    Also I wouldn’t be against first order remnants chilling about. It’s not like all of them would give up. At least it wouldn’t make sense.
     
  7. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    15 years for running them out
     
  8. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    The imperial remnant stuck around for a long ass time in legends.
     
  9. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    Sure but i think they want to leave that in the past. New Jedi Order movie will have new villains
     
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  10. mattman8907

    mattman8907 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    and they reformed into a Galactic Empire under Jagged Fel and then unfortunately got turned into a Sith Empire by Darth Krayt.
     
  11. DARTH_BELO

    DARTH_BELO Force Ghost star 5

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    I went with "multi-state". I wouldn't say hundreds or thousands, but perhaps have the Galaxy divided into regions, maybe a dozen or so? I've always envisioned them being in a loose and perhaps uneasy alliance, and they hold periodic meetings-not unlike the United nations-when there is an issue that arises that they need to deal with together. Then if a villain like the Vong would come, I would enjoy seeing the process of the region's decision to collaborate in order to defeat them over the course of a trilogy. This would then bring them closer together in the end, and perhaps vote to become one Republic.
     
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  12. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    The United States of the Galaxy.
     
  13. TaradosGon

    TaradosGon Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    If the OT was inspired by contemporary history of the time, I would say look to today for inspiration. Populism, discrediting of media, gaslighting, discrediting of science, polarized politics, extremism, etc.

    The film “Don’t Look Up” was in some ways terrifying, because I feel that’s exactly how things would go down, and iirc, that film itself is using the comet as an analogy for climate change and inaction due to politics or money.

    It could be something like Rey has been in the Unknown Regions for years pursuing the last of the Sith cultists to ensure Palpatine cannot return. She finds evidence of some new threat returns to Republic space to alert the Senate only to find them discrediting her and scapegoating the Jedi. While there are others that are trying to take the threat seriously. And then an extragalactic invasion occurs and everyone has to come together.

    Still a Republic, just a very polarized one. Perhaps with shades of livery inspired by the War of the Roses or even modern politics.


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  14. DARTH_BELO

    DARTH_BELO Force Ghost star 5

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    I feel that's actually where the Ahsoka series is headed. That's kind of like what's going on in the background in Ahsoka, the way that the New Republic senate isn't taking seriously the threat of Thrawn's return, and the idea that the Imperial remnant isn't as strong as it really is.
     
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  15. Oissan

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    That, and it's also kind of the setup for the ST, with elements in the New Republic refusing to listen to those who see a threat in the First Order, and therefore Leia forming a resistance.
     
  16. TaradosGon

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    True. But there's only so many ways for the Republic to fall, from without and/or within. We saw it toppled by Palpatine from within and we saw it toppled from without by the First Order and presumably will see it challenged externally by Thrawn in the future.

    There's the potential to move the stories far into the Outer Rim away from the central government, but the Mandalorian has already done that too. There's the idea of moving the stories to a new galaxy, but Ahsoka looks to be doing that.

    The writers can shake stuff up a little bit to feel different but I feel like the broad strokes are going to feel the same.

    I'm watching FX's Shogun series, and while I've never read the book, I am interested in the real Japanese history that it is based on, regarding the conflict between Tokugawa Ieyasu ("Toranaga" in Shogun) and Ishida Mitsunari ("Ishido" in Shogun). The ruler of Japan, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, had died, leaving a minor child as his heir and establishing a council of five lords to rule until the heir comes of age, but instead there is a break down in political stability with Japan being divided into a Western and Eastern faction backing Ishida (who ostensibly is defending the Toyotomi clan) and Tokugawa respectively and erupting into civil war that climaxes at the Battle of Sekigahara.

    For instance, Star Wars can do something similar to the extent that maybe the next iteration of the Republic decides to use two co-Chancellors or perhaps there is still only one Chancellor but a very powerful, populist, opposition leader that has a lot of support swelling behind him/her. And as things become more and more polarized, then like the houses of York and Lancaster leading up to the War of the Roses, each faction outwardly starts to wear livery showing which side they are on.

    And the background for the Rey film could be that 5-10 years ago she took on an apprentice and went into the Unknown Regions to pursue the remnants of the Final Order with the blessings of the Senate only to return now after having a run in with a new threat and find that the Senate is completely polarized with a powerful populist faction that has retroactively declared Rey's activities as illegal and having possibly started a war without the consent of the Republic and that if she sets foot back into Republic space, she will be arrested (think Julius Caesar and Gaul). She's returning to a government that wasn't like the one she left, and in which her actually returning is a polarizing issue, because everything is a polarizing issue (think modern times).

    Also in the past decade, due to the absence of Jedi, the Senate has allowed for the extensive grant of systems to the Mandalorian clans in exchange for Republic security (think the German foederati of the Roman Empire, or the Japanese court employing samurai to maintain order in the provinces). And maybe rival Mandalorian clans are similarly starting to divide into the two polarized camps.

    And right when things seem like they are looking like they are about to erupt into the Star Wars version of the Battle of Sekigahara, foreign invaders start to sweep through Republic space, and over the course of the film (or films) the two halves have to come back together.

    Fundamentally, yes, we've already seen a fractured Republic get challenged by an external threat, but I feel like they could tweak the specifics. And personally, I feel like Star Wars post-RoS could use a little soft reboot. Unlike the ST or Ahsoka, try to create a new status quo such that both old and new fans alike can jump into it without requiring the homework of watching every film that came before.
     
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  17. DARTH_BELO

    DARTH_BELO Force Ghost star 5

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    I actually really like the idea that Rey was gone for some years perhaps, and when she returns the government is not the way it was when she left, and things have gotten worse in her absence. Those events could also raise some interesting philosophical questions (within the story) about how effective would a Jedi order be, and how closely should it be involved with the government. Although I understand the logic of having undertones, I would personally shy away from having too much in the way of sequences involving politics in the film(s)-as that was one of the complaints about the PT.

    But I like the insertion of the Mandalorians and their role there, especially considering we are (at least as of Mandalorian S3) to assume that the Mandalorians have reclaimed Mandalore and rebuilt/strengthened their society. I know they were absent during the events of the ST, but in that 30 + years time, a lot of rebuilding could've been achieved-I'd love to see where they're at 15 years after TROS!

    And yes-some "foreign invader" sliding in during the middle of all that would be perfect timing indeed (from a storytelling standpoint I mean).
     
  18. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Chosen One star 7

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    Maybe the galaxy is all broken up. Fragmented into many territories and realms. Fiefdoms here and there. Mando empire in one corner.

    Rey has been off learning and training new Jedi. A bit MIA. No one has really seen her in a few years. However, from spaceport to spaceport, from cities to farmsteads, stories have begun being passed around that the Jedi have returned. But very few people have ever actually seen any for themselves.

    I would love to see more Force sects too. Guardians of the Whills. That kind of stuff. Maybe even non-force users who are on pilgrimages to learn and connect in ways they can, even if they can't be force-using Jedi.
     
  19. TaradosGon

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    It seemed like the Old Republic lacked any kind of centralized peacekeeping mechanism outside of the Jedi Order, which was wiped out during Order 66.

    The stormtroopers and imperial navy served to establish order across the Empire but then they too ultimately get eliminated.

    Luke never trained enough students to even hold a candle to the 10,000 Jedi of the Old Republic. My understanding is that there was a very limited peacekeeping force during the New Republic era after massive disarmament following the war. But it seemed like that was pretty much wiped out with Hosnian Prime.

    I feel like there’s no way that Rey is serving any practical peacekeeping role at this time, and might have a ceremonial role or just be a symbol of hope at best. Basically for the same reasons that Luke wasn’t a major contributor to peacekeeping following RotJ.

    Greef Karga has established a precedent in Mandalorian Season 3 of granting the Mandalorians territory in exchange for protection. I feel like it’s low hanging fruit to extrapolate that forward and think that they could continue to swell their ranks and take on a peacekeeping role, or praetorian guard style role in the capital.

    And since they themselves are clan based and samurai-esque, they themselves could devolve into the villains outright (looking at Odoacer and the Roman Empire; and Dong Zhuo and the Han Dynasty).


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  20. Ghost

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    Has there been any news about which direction they may be leaning towards in the new movies?
     
  21. rocknroll41

    rocknroll41 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Not from a political standpoint, no. Only word we’ve gotten is Sharmeen reinforcing recently that it’ll be about “Rey and her Jedi academy.”
     
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