Andor Andor Season 2 Discussion (Spoliers Allowed)

Does it really say anything about the human condition though?

 

Anyone else notice that Syril’s speaking voice sounds a lot like Tom Cruise.

 

I don't think you and me are watching the same show

 

Eedy herself supplies a masterclass on the subject.

 

Anyone seen the trailer where cassian is running through a camp ...??
I'm thinking it's maybe Dantooine do we think the rebels move there in bby2?

 

Saying things about the human condition is like, the only thing the show is about. If you watch it and don’t automatically see that, I don’t know how there’s anything someone else could just say that could help. I can see why you wouldn’t like it in that case however, because you seem to be missing all the interesting parts.

 

There's a few elements about our greater human condition at work here

Many of the characters who are starting this rebellion, trying to fight this outright evil, are themselves becoming ... darker. Luthan is the model here. He had to give up parts of his former self, and his former life, for a sunset he'll never see. Both Andor and Mon, and even Bix, are following this path. Whether that's justifying killing soldiers, or innocents who get the in way, or becoming addicted to drugs to help with the PTSD pain to the point where she no longer recognizes her self and knows how unhealthy this all is for her sense of self, or aligning with shady business dealers and marrying off your only child in order to fund the rebellion in the first place. In order to cope with the oppressive mask-wearing, Mon has to literally drink herself numb and dance with the rest of the fools just to make it.

Additionally, besides losing their former selves, nearly everyone in this series is wearing a mask, sometimes literally, but also symbolically, to cover up or shield their truth. In much the same way Anakin became someone else and donned a mask to hide his true nature, at the beginning of his dark time era, this series is exploring this more with on the ground characters. Its not just the spies themselves who have created new identifies, most of the characters have to life duplicitous lives. And its not just on the Rebellion side. Even within the Empire it seems most Imperials on the show are masking their true selves, or at least true feelings/thoughts/desire, in order to get ahead or survive in a cut-throat government that is watching your every move.

There's way more going on that just ... lore fill-ins for a time period we've never seen before, or to lead up to a movie in a few years time.

 

Halfway through this season, I'd say I'm liking it a little less than season 1 so far, but it's probably more fair to just compare it to the first half of season 1.

The Aldhani arc from season 1 is still probably my favorite arc overall, but my favorite episode of the series so far is probably "Harvest" from season 2. It's pretty special when three radically new scenes are brought into a Star War and they're all really well written and executed.

 

Seems to be connecting jungle planets..kenari...onderon...yavin

 

In episode 4, Bix also says to Cassian "I'm not Maarva, I'm not your sister" in response to Cassian's protectiveness towards her. So I think that's at the heart of its inclusion. Showing that Cassian has difficulty letting go of that kind of protectiveness towards his friends and family, and that this can be stifling. And by the end of this arc, he makes progress by bringing Bix with him on the Gorst mission. Which is a perfect mission for her, of course.

 

If you want to see a human condition, watch the guy who got Cinta killed.

 

So much great preparation for Ghorman with these last three episodes. So many great character moments, too. One of my favourites being Luthen joking they should have killed Krennic while at the party. Showing the relief that they weren't found out removing the incriminating microphone right from under him.

And yes, I very much felt for Vel after Cinta got killed through stupidity. That speech she gave to the one who did it... Chills.

 

Interesting they jump ahead a year, I spose they could carry on doing that with each episode block and actually end up covering the originally planned 5 year period pre Yavin with two seasons?

The scale does definitely seem to be becoming bigger with this second block of three, makes for a somewhat different show to season 1's focus on set pieces but I think its been carried out incredibly well so far.

 

That episode with Bill Burr in Season 2 is still probably the best live action episode of Star Wars TV

 

That S2 episode of TM was a great episode.

Now I'm hungry even after eating lunch, thanks Godisawesome , but extremely well done (pun intended). That comparison you made was excellent.

Bor Mullet said:"And by the end of this arc, he makes progress by bringing Bix with him on the Gorst mission. Which is a perfect mission for her, of course."
Did I miss Cassian being assigned this mission? I took it as him and Bix just doing it to dispell her nightmares?
I feel as though Bix is being set up to take Cinta's place. Where this will take her relationship with Cassian, I'm not sure.
Also I'm thinking about Dedra being the one who will get jealous of Syril, who will become more involved with the Empire while I believe she will try to disengage from it.

 

The last we saw of Cass and Bix before they took out Ghorst was them being signaled by Luthen's "bat signal." Luthen was clearly showing some humanity and throwing them a bone.

 

I think the spider webs on Ghorman are meant to be a metaphor for the situations which characters find themselves in - they're all trying to spin their situation but often end up trapped.

Cassian asks Luthen "You want my blood?" and we see characters bleeding in this arc, either literally or metaphorically.

Luthen wants the situation on Ghorman to burn brightly, like a beacon, and doesn't seem to much care how many people get caught in the fire.

 

That damn kid wanted so much to be hero he became villain with his first shot... guns are bad like that

 

They really should have only had them set to stun

 

According to Dawn of Rebellion, he takes the podium when the Grand Vizier is busy.

 

...So he's the Vice-Vizier?

 

Is this a legitimate question?

This goes back to my earlier point that people these days really seem to have an impatience when watching a show that doesn't have non-stop action and can't actually digest what they're watching unless it's spelled out for them.

Yes that's literally what they're doing.