Discussion James Mangold’s First Jedi Film

Certainly possible and an entertaining thought, but do you think DLF had the foresight to do that kind of foreshadowing in a completely unrelated show run by different creatives? I highly doubt that Gilroy and Mangold had a zoom meeting to discuss the connections between their projects, however vague. There would have to be some kind of lore scholar (like Tom Shippey was for RoP before Amazon fired him so they could desecrate Tolkien's lore as they saw fit.) to have them put those easter eggs in for a purpose and I'm not sure if that person exists. I doubt Dave Filoni is the guy but who knows? Maybe he is. Or it's just a coincidence and DotJ will have nothing to do with the Rakatan invasion or the things mentioned on Andor. Beau Willimon being a writer on both projects is a true coincidence and doesn't mean they will be connected in anyway because of that fact. Beau is not steering the ship so-to-speak on either project he's a co-writer basically, not to downplay his excellent contributions to Andor and I'm sure to DotJ as well.

 

Dave Filoni will suggest to make connections here and there. What happened In this era, whats era defined by. James Mangold and Dave Filoni will work heavily together in this movie as he knows most about jedi lote outside of George Lucas. Kathleen Kennedy has said Dave Filoni is their special goose when comes to all things Star Wars. So even if not Rakata or force priestesses appear they might reference them and make plans for them in future sequels.

 

It seems a lot of people mention Pablo Hidalgo in something of that role. I don't know if the timing works out for there to be that kind of coordination. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

 

Well yes, that’s the way it *should* work… and I believe it would be easy to create a process where that’s feasible… it’s more a question of whether Lucasfilm have matured their model so that ‘cross-pollination’ happens and works effectively. The jury’s out…

 

Don't get me wrong I'd like to think that they did, I just doubt it completely at this point. I suppose we won't actually know until DotJ comes out, or at least the trailer for it.

 

I'd concerned that a First Jedi movie is going to hit A LOT of the same story beats we've already seen in various other Star Wars movies, shows, video games, etc...

Sure Luke Skywalker wasn't the first Jedi but his story introduced the Force to the audience and his journey to becoming a Jedi was the audiences intro to the Jedi. We've basically already gotten a first Jedi movie before. Luke was our first Jedi. Seeing a version of that play out again in a first Jedi movie could feel a little been there, done that. What's it matter if the protagonist is shown to be the first to harness the Force, train in the Force, and possibly use a lightsaber if we've seen that story before?

I realize that there is a way to tell that story in a new and interesting way but LFL just can't get enough of telling stories that recycle the same ideas. I expect the First Jedi will feature a young inexperienced kid who befriends a wise old character, (probably an old guy), who is familiar with the Force even if he's not technically a Jedi master and this old character will guide the young hero on his way to learning how to harness the Force and become a Jedi. Also the young hero will totally train with a sword while his eyes are covered up.

 

In Beau We Trust

 

That's just... I can't think of a more reductive way of looking at a story than that?

 

I expect that he will learn without a teacher, which will make the dynamic COMPLETELY different from Luke learning about the Force. I'm hoping for VERY limited powers and no weapons, but I am not so naive as all that.

 

Well hopefully I'm wrong but that's basically what I think we'll get.

Wow I feel the Force! Character learns to move object with the Force. Battles somebody with a sword. Saves the day. Role credits.

We'l get a character coming up with the phrase, "may the Force be with you". Also "I've got a bad feeling about this!"

 

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Actually the original generations first jedi was obi wan. So with Luke we already had an immediate teacher. Rey was some kids first jedi, for some it's even Ezra. For future generations it will be the prime jedi and even master sol.
i just hope we get a crawl and the John Williams fanfare ... after Andor used it in its credits I'm hopeful

 

A fresh take might be a character who taps into the Force inadvertently and is surprised and maybe even frightened by it.* A "whoa WTF is this" kind of reaction. Eventually, the character discovers what is going on while in a state of calmness or follows clues that leads to another who confirms that, yeah, this is a thing. Whatever.

*That easily could've been Rey in TFA. Instead of mind-tricking the stormtrooper, maybe she accidentally Force pushes him or pulls the key to her shackles to herself accidentally. That sort of thing.

 

I that could be interesting. Not only is the protagonist frightened by it but the public might be afraid as well. I suppose that sort of thing has been covered in X-Men comics but it does feel like people should be freaked out at the idea that a person can use magic powers to move objects and trick people into doing things against their will with Jedi mind tricks.

 

I hope this movie is the beginning of a whole saga of movies and shows based on the Old Republic the best era of Star Wars for me

 

I think the Rakata could make an appearance, but I don’t know how I feel about them being the primary antagonist.

A lot of Star Wars is about divided families in some way and I would expect the main character and main villain to be human or near-human.

My idea would be to set this in a time period where the Rakatan Empire is already in decline, their Golden Age is in the distant past, the slave races have been moved around the Galaxy and most have forgotten their home planets and their cultures have been plundered. There is no sense of “nation” and there’s a lot of disorder as the only entity strong enough to keep order is sick.

The Rakata have become withdrawn and corrupted by the Dark Side which has crippled the empire before the events of the film. The remaining Rakata are trying to reform themselves but no longer have the capability to maintain the Empire.

One corrupted Rakata passes his knowledge onto one of his slaves who shares it with his family and they usurp the Empire and try to create a new Empire where humans are now on top.

A family member then discovers the light side, splits from his family and stands up for the slave races that slowly begin to organize themselves into the Republic.

IMO if the Dark Side is the quick and easy path, it makes more sense for it to come first when it comes to humanity’s first experience with the Force. The light side should come second and be the difficult path.


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Couldn’t they just make the Rakata humans? Is it confirmed, in canon, that they’re not?

 

It doesn't seem like the Rakata species is set in stone in the new canon yet.

 

Apparently there was some German canon publication that referred to them as an amphibious species, that’s all I have found. But I can’t see them making such a radical change. I do believe they could use a design tweak, but I can’t see them being completely reimagined as human.

Maybe they could fold the Zeffo and Rakata together somehow as two names for the same thing, as the story of the two species as powerful Empires that collapsed due to the Dark Side bear similarities. There were also “the Ancients” mentioned in Bad Batch that created the droid guardian on Skara Nal.

Maybe fold the three into one.


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If they did that merger, I’d hope they lean heavily towards the Zeffo design, which is far superior to the goofy hammerhead Rakata.

 

I think that would be incredibly underwhelming.

 

I wonder if this movie has been canceled. Announced in 2023 and still no release date.

Since then we have gotten release dates for Mando n Grogu and Starfighter.

Maybe Disney does not want to risk exploring a distant era which will look a lot different then what the general audience is used too.

The mando movie has the benefit of familiar characters and the era. Imperials as the bad guys, etc…..

While Starfighter is technically a new era, it’s only 5 years after TRoS. Meaning it can bring any familiar space ship designs and faction connections (first order/new republic leftovers?). Perhaps some returning characters.

If both movies are a success, I could see Disney pivoting even more to those eras. Fast tracking a “Heir to the Empire” movie, with Mando and company included. For Starfighter, making a sequel involving Rey. Taking away time from making DoTJ.

I wonder if the cancellation of The Acolyte has influenced them to avoid eras prior to the Prequel Era for now.

Seeing it better to “play it safe” to get more seats for the return of Star Wars on the big screen.

 

@StarWarsFan91 you're just being paranoid, bud. DotJ will happen, most likely after "Starfighter" and certainly before Filoni's film and any of the nebulous Rey projects.

 

Hmm, future you see. Always in motion, difficult to see.

 

There is already a long list of canceled Star Wars projects…..

I wouldn’t call it paranoia thinking DoTJ could be added to the list.

If Disney did not have a track record of projects that did not get off the ground for Star Wars, then “paranoia” would be an appropriate term for thinking DoTJ might be canceled.

 

There is nothing to suggest this has been canceled and also nothing to suggest it's heading into production any time soon.

Schrödinger's Jedi.