Andor Andor Season 2 Discussion (Spoliers Allowed)

I felt more like she did not want to leave because she was not planning to survive but to meet the same fate as Luthen, sacrifice herself for that sunrise.
She passed the message to the messenger and I suspect she was going to off herself afterwards.
Like I also suspect she intended to do if Vel would not have found her wandering in the woods under the rain.
Luthen and her had a mission and she did not think their fate would differ.
That is what I perceived in her.
Not
“I don’t want to leave because I don’t like Yavin and I want to live in Coruscant”
but
“I don’t want to go to Yavin where I don’t belong because Luthen and I did horrible things for the rebellion because “it had to be done” and “morally pure” rebels will never accept me and aknowledge we had to do it and I don’t want to leave because we had a mission and it is done, the rebellion is everywhere and it grows and I had to kill
My only family to ensure it stays protected and now I need to meet the same fate because it is what I deserve and what I always thought we would head to, together”

EDIT: if they would have left her there, she would have been dead the moment they closed the door and I think Andor knew that and saw that in her eyes, she passed the message to the messenger and she was ready to die.

 

You're right that it didn't seem like the pragmatic Kleya of before. Because she's not the same Kleya. Her whole world just got thrown upside down, and her father/ savior/ partner-in-crime just died. And ultimately, shekilled him. So she's changed, and she's in mourning and shock, and she should behave a little differently in that context. And simultaneously, she's still the same person who's been working at Luthen's side for seemingly two decades, and has to be convinced to leave that life entirely. So it's really a complex set of feelings and there's no wonder she's very frazzled and unsure of what to do next. I personally thought it was very realistic for her character to behave that way. And I'm happy that she doesn't remain static. It's very easy to create a static, badass character who's always a badass. It's a little harder and riskier to pull the rug out from under that character for a moment. Not least as audiences might not love to see that vulnerability in their favorite badass.

I had considered the possibility that she was planning to do another suicide mission on Coruscant to hit them hard before she goes, but I hadn't considered her simply committing suicide in the safe house, or on Yavin. But that's a very legitimate take. And Cassian's insistence on not leaving her there was both because he perceived that death wish in her, and also saw the possibility of her being captured as a liability for the Rebellion.

 

Kleya didn't want to leave. They had to persuade to go to Yavin. As for Luthen, my head cannon is that he knew that eventually he was going to get caught and that he'd sacrifice himself for the cause.

 

*Folds arms and stares into the middle distance* Ahsoka season two I guess?

 

Which is why I would think he would have had a more efficient way fo doing it. As well as taking our any equipment or info in the shop.

 

Never underestimate the pain of grief. It can wreak havoc like nothing else. The fact she was able to complete her "last" mission is a testament to the characters devotion to not only the cause, but to Luthen. If Luthen survived, one can only imagine what the Empire would have done to him. Of course she didn't want to go to Yavin. Her pain must have been incredible by the time Andor arrived on Coruscant.

I agree. Maybe I've watched too many spy shows, so would have expected the usual remote-control detonation and boom goes the shop. Whatever the reason, that option was not in place. If we'd go the boom, we wouldn't have gotten what turned out to a powerful, moving episode.

 

I thought the bellhops story was enough... Infact one of my favourite scenes

 

Cassian would've had to kill her. He didn't want to kill her. He did his best to convince her to come, and it worked.

There was very little time lapse between the bench meeting with Jung and Dedra showing up. So, in a potential universe of outcomes between "no time to do anything" and "hide everything, race off in the Fondor," Luthen started at the low end. Maybe he would've done more, but he ran out of time. Even so, he had a "leave the room" plan with the knife. That's just how I view it.

 

I know everyone else is saying this, but Watching Rogue One after Andor is truly a new experience to the film.

I’m at the part when Cassian decides not to shoot Galen, and I realized why…

Cassian knows Galen is a prisoner of the Empire, forced to work on their weapons, just like he once was… and he just can’t bring himself to pull the trigger.

after all the killing Cassian has done for the Rebellion, he just can’t pull the trigger on himself.

(yes I’m just now realizing how this scene connects back with Cassian’s time on Narkina 5, I am a slow learner)

 

This show delivered what the ST and most other Star Wars TV shows have failed to do. It introduced new, compelling, complex characters with an interesting story and several satisfying endings. The conclusions for Luthen, Kleya, Andor, Bix, Dedra, Syril, and Partagas, just to name a few, were all done in a very satisfying way. Even minor characters got nice conclusions. Heert being used as a human shield, Lonni tragically dying both for the rebellion AND at the hand of a rebel. Mon Mothma finding a new home with the rebels. Perrian, sad, drunk, and in what is likely a depressing relationship with his daughter's mother-in-law. All very impressive stuff!

 

Read some Behind the scenes stuff.

1: The scene with Syril laying on the bed was improvised by the actor who was tired from filming and waiting for the scene with Dedra and Mom to wrap up. So the director just pointed the camera and asked him "what would you be doing in this situation". So he collapsed on the bed. The other actors didn't even know it happened until they saw the episode.

2: The scenes with Perrian and MIL at the end in the car had way more backstory that was cut. It seems as though the Davo was the Director of the News Organization and there was a big scene where ISB told him to cut the feed of Mon's speech and he refused. It was to show how people can do even tiny acts of rebellion. Sooooo the scene in the car was to show how Perrian and MIL had bonded (and even maybe had an affair) because their respective spouses were in the rebellion.

 

Man that deleted scene with Davo sounds great. It's a small thing that adds complexity to his character and a bit of tragic family drama for all involved.

 

I would have loved to have seen Lieda's fate. Was it a loveless arranged marriage? Did they come to love each other?

 

I imagine that they do end up loving each other but that they also grow up to be rich, self-absorbed, crappy people that are annoyed that the rebellion has disrupted their lives.

 

Cinta got maybe the least satisfying ending of any character.

And that was the point.

 

Very good point! Her death was random, avoidable, and senseless. Not all heroes get a heroic ending.

 

More coolness:

 

Of course they just walked. If you're trying to get away from a building where a whole pack of government agents were just murdered, nothing looks more suspicious than running. Low profile is more important than saving a mere handful of seconds and drawing attention.

Reminds me of one of my favorite character moments in The Rocketeer, the gangster who wouldn't work for no two-bit Nazi.

 

A good rule for this show:

If you think something doesn't make sense or isn't explained ... watch it again. There's a lot of density in some of these scenes and I know I missed a couple of things the first time I watched. (For example I didn't catch that the ISB plant on Bail's extraction team was one of Jung's agents the first time I saw those scenes)

 

I believe tha a whole chapter was missing. Between the third and the final arc.
Dedra starts working on Axis again but she becomes progressively more obsessed with getting to the bottom of it, to the point of becoming reckless and neglecting most security protocols, which leads to the information leaks.
She turns into captain Ahab chasing her Moby Dick which is Axis.
Still, she makes genuine progress so that she ends up to finally triumph. Though, like in Moby Dick, her obsession leads to her downfall.

^ so, essentially this is pretty much what actually happened during the jump year, but I really feel like I would have preferred if it was actually shown onscreen rather than narrated in one minute of exposition dialogue.

 

Andor is truly working miracles if it’s getting a JCCer to love something on Star Wars again. Andor was truly something special for me. Just strikes the right cords

 

I think that's a bit of a stretch, particularly when they have a KX droid with them. I mean, Cass and Mon literally two episodes ago ran from the Senate building despite not wanting to draw attention to themselves....

It was a weak plot in an otherwise stellar set of episodes, but I don't think we have to call everything perfect.

 

Both of these seasons did a great job at showing how this EU-esque galaxy can limiting as they underestimate women on both sides.

As for Mon's ex-husband, Perrin, he doesn't seem to like what the Empire is doing. But he's more apathetic about it because he doesn't think he can do anything about it. Their daughter appears to have turned out the same way. But who knows? Maybe she'll divorce the guy and join the Rebellion. Depends on of her husband is good and perceptive or not, of course, but you know what I mean. Mon effectively had to leave her family for a cause, and in her heart, she wishes she could have brought both of them with her.

Man, this show...phenom. 98 overall grade.

 

All things considered i liked S2 more than S1.
I think S1 felt way too slow at times but this season things were tighter.

 

I'd have to agree. S1 was amazing and really was something we've never seen before. It did move a little slow at times but that tension meter was still so high. S2 played to that strength again and the tension seemed even higher along with more action and ETs. And they landed the ending which was so well done. Look forward to revisiting this series again.