A Discussion Thread - Disposition of the Galaxy ? Sectors, member worlds, colonies, and the Empire

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Nice analysis. Other things to think about: I recall a sector mentioned to have originally been 50 inhabited worlds. This could be interpreted as members or merely inahibted worlds. The idea for oversectors makes definite sense... but I wouldn't see very many, if any, sectors going DOWN except in the most extreme wars, plagues, hive viruses, etc... Seems more likely that the Corellian Sector for example is only counting it's member worlds and there are at least 23 other inhabited worlds, likely many more than that.

 

Firstly, accidently turned the entire drow city against me necessitiating a prudent reload and increased dislike for Aerie. More relevantly, the sector groupings were changed over the decades for all we know. What's applicable for Cloak of Deception's number need not be the case for Flim's Thrawn performance, where a Republican senator over saw 200-250 worlds.

 

The problem is that WEG treated the sectors in a different way than LFL does now. The WEG sectors contain only thousands of stars with less than a thousand habitable planets (Corporate Sector might be an exception), they are closer to a star cluster than 0,1% of the galaxy... (for example Ottega and Tion).

If the Unknown Regions is indeed part of the galactic disk (and as I know, this is LFL's current opinion) Empire of the Hand contains almost the entire UR. (Just note that according to Vision of the Future, Unknown Regions consists three-quarters of the galactic disk )

The Imperial Sourcebook mentions thousands of sector fleets.

To illustrate the current situation:
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That satellite galaxy we saw in Jedi Archives in AotC (the one on the Endor side of the Galaxy) might just compose most of the UR.

And those "four billion stars in the UR" info could just refer to stars in the part of the Galactic plane proper.

 

There is no reason to assume that the UR is part of the galactic disc, considering the early WEG treatment of it. More likely, its outside the disc itself and lies in the halo. The NJO map is after all 2D, and cannot accurately represent the UR as being "north" of the disc.

Furthermore, it has been explictly stated in both the WoTC and WEG sourcebooks that the UR is NOT part of the Republic or Empire and thus would not have been factored into systems count.

The epic problem is that some sources, and I believe the Imperial Sourcebook is one of them, correct me if I?m wrong, patents a belief in thousands of sectors under the First Galactic Empire, rather than a mere thousand-odd. This represents a problem.

You are correct.

The Empire downgrades the number of worlds it members over, but radically increases the number of sectors it owns? It?s contradictory. Originally, sectors, yes, numbered only 50 systems, according to the Fact Files, and, assumedly that would mean 50 member worlds, but the galaxy obviously hasn?t used such a system for some time.

Or had it? The Old Republic has, in its past, been intensely militarised, whether during the thousand-year New Sith Wars, or even during the Old Sith Wars that almost saw the Republic scuttled.

I suggest that during those times the Old Republic did what Palpatine did during both the Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War; created oversectors. Not of all sectors, no, because we still have the 27 member system Corellian Sector, and the 30 system Chommel Sector. Now, as time carried on by, these oversectors became the norm, and, simply, became sectors. Thus some sectors comprise the otherwise contradictory thousands of member systems - contradictory in the fact that the well renowned and powerful Corellian Sector comprises a mere 27 member systems.

Or more likely, the Empire did what Mon Mothma said it did. Expanded and took over countless non aligned worlds away from people like the Hutts. Look at Tatooine for example.


After all, the Boba Fett novels state that the Empire has over 50 million inhabitated worlds and countless colonies and settlements. Piett discovery of the Rebel base on Hoth was initially written off by the admiral as a smuggler or uncharted mining settlement.

 

Proof of this? The Swessnera sector certainly wasn't treated like this.

 

With advanced civilization, the term "Habitable world" loses it's meaning a lot. With Legacy out and Lumiya living on an asteroid which is a "Planetoid" at best......we create a world that is population: 1. How many of these "systems" are of this type? I mean "WE OWN 100,000 INHABITED PLANETS...ALL WITH FOUR PEOPLE ON THEM" just doesn't seem too impressive. It would seem that if you can land a ship on it, it's habitable to some degree. A single planet like Muunilist or Bastion is obviously worth way more than gobs of sparsely populated worlds.

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I'd like to think that the satellite galaxy on the "left" and the volume of space around it is the Unknown Regions.

However then, that would raise the question of why the "Unknown Regions" area on the map of the NJO books doesn't have very many significant worlds.

 

It's not just the NJO map, but Refugee, Vision of the Future, and even The Unifying Force treats it as part of the galactic disk...

No, they don't. That's from the Star Wars Sourcebook and about the Rebublic in it's last days not the Empire, and 50 million inhabited systems not worlds. And the 50 million systems includes the colonies.

The exact quote:

Reaching out from what came to be known as the Core Worlds, the republic eventully embraced over a million member worlds, and countless more colonies, protectorates and governorships. Nearly 100 quadrillion beings pledged allegiance to the Republic in nearly fifty million systems.

No, you aren't. It's about Sector Groups. There were oversectors too, with more than one Sector Group.

Swessnera Sector? Or you mean Seswenna Sector? And I wrote proofs (Tion and Ottega) but if it isn't enough Tion contains only 12,000 stars and 600 habitable planets, and it consists 3 sectors (Cronese Mandate, Allied Tion Sector and Tion Hegemony). Ottega Sector contains 75 habitable planets and 622 moons. There is Brak Sector with 67 inhabited and 350 uninhabited star systems. Minos Cluster was a star cluster treated as a sector. Also the Slice contains only 1000 settled planets and it probably contains hundreds of sectors...

Sector Groups.

Thousands of Sector Groups are at the Emperor's command as he seeks to bring the Galaxy firmly under his control.

No, it clearly states that the UR is 3/4 of the GFFA's disk.