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A question about Jabba

Discussion in 'Literature' started by DWALIN, Dec 20, 2009.

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  1. DWALIN

    DWALIN Jedi Youngling

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    Just wondering: why does Jabba behave himself as if he were attracted by humanoid females? He acts lecherously towards Leia, strips her half-naked ecc. and keeps a harem of slaves, none of whom is a Hutt. Why is that? He belongs to an entirely different species, so humans and twi?leks should seem just as ugly to him as he seems to them. In theory, he should be attracted more by slug-like fat creatures with long tales, just like himself, because he was born on a planet of non-humanoids, where the concepts of beauty are different and the characteristics that humans consider ugly may be considered beautiful.
    By the way, I was asking myself the same question not only about ?Star Wars?, but also about many other books and movies, where monsters are attracted by human females, while they theoretically should have their own, different concepts of beauty.
     
  2. Darth_Zandalor

    Darth_Zandalor Jedi Master star 4

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    Jabba mostly keeps slaves as a symbol of his power. That explains why he enslaved Leia.

    But a lot of slaves that he keeps are universally considered beautiful. For example, Twileks are regarded as stunning by the majority of the galaxy, whilst others, like Zeltrons or Falleen, give off pheromones that make them more attractive to males.
     
  3. Trip

    Trip Force Ghost star 4

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    Jabba actually did have a thing for human(oid) females, but yeah-- on the whole, Hutts keep "harems" of humanoid women (or men) as a status symbol, not because they're genuinely attracted to them. Other Hutts actually considered Jabba something of a sexual deviant.
     
  4. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    If you really want to get technical, Hutts don't mate with anything, and thus shouldn't be attracted to anything.
     
  5. Darth_Zandalor

    Darth_Zandalor Jedi Master star 4

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    Ugghh, Cooper, you're bringing up bad Clone Wars Film memories.
     
  6. Trip

    Trip Force Ghost star 4

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    Eh? Hutts are (supposedly) naturally hermaphroditic, yeah, but they don't reproduce asexually.
     
  7. Rogue_Follower

    Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well, they might mate. Hermaphrodite doesn't always mean self-fertilizing.

    For example, Gorga and Anachro's child is implied to be the product of both of them.

    So maybe mating is optional?

     
  8. Lumiyas_Head

    Lumiyas_Head Jedi Master star 2

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    I believe one of Jabba's relatives in the Han Solo Trilogy comments on his taste in Human/near-Human women.
     
  9. Darthbane2007

    Darthbane2007 Jedi Master star 4

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    Because the ones he keep are females of certain species that are seen as beautiful by the rest of the galaxy? Why get a female hutt when you can have a Twi'Lek or Togruta?
     
  10. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    There are a couple references somewhere in the crevices of EU of Jabba having kind of a "perversion" for more humanoid females. I believe in addition to the Han Solo Trilogy, the "Oola" story in the "Tales" books mentions it as well. Now to what extent that interest goes...well, the EU doesn't dwell.

    Considering the "interests" of some humans in the realms of "fetish" on this planet, this is understandable, in particular from a being that epitomizes his species lifestyle of excess.

    That said, it can also be a status indicator, as we've seen other Hutts have an entourage of similar nature, both before and after Jabba. A great example of how would be the great "honor" he bestows on Boba Fett with the gift of Leia in one of his "Tales" stories...it is a considerable status thing that Fett dares not refuse.
     
  11. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    Jabba likes humanoid females for the same reason humanoid females like human males: They might not look as good as the females do, but they like them nevertheless :p and many humanoid males look hutt-esque and still have girlfriends that look like supermodels.


     
  12. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    That is a fair point. Most Hutts, or the Hutts that we always see are too tied up in running their criminal businesses to be shown chatting up other hutts and having relationships of that nature with other hutts.
     
  13. Manisphere

    Manisphere Jedi Master star 5

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    Queen Jool has an ongoing flirtation with Cade for what it's worth. Course things might get weird when she becomes King Jool.:p

    Wasn't Jabba's predilection for human slaves frowned upon by other Hutts? Not to the point of them doing anything about it (because he was the Tony Soprano of Nal Hutta). It was still taboo to an extent nonetheless.

    Out of curiosity, from The Hutt Gambit, did Crispin even mention Aruk mating or having a partner at any time? Aruk was one of the oldest Hutts living. It seems unlikely that he/she had a peer with which to mate.

     
  14. Valin__Kenobi

    Valin__Kenobi Author: Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Praji star 4 VIP

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    The books like to show Hutts self-impregnating because it's Cool And Alien, but I'd imagine most of the time they reproduce with a partner since recombining DNA is what keeps the gene pool healthy. (Reproducing asexually, i.e. budding like bacteria, is a whole nother thing.)

    Then again, maybe that explains the Hutts' problems: they're all tremendously inbred from centuries of self-fertilization...
     
  15. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    [face_laugh]
     
  16. Ki-Aaron-Mundi

    Ki-Aaron-Mundi Jedi Knight star 2

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    If I'm remembering right, there was some pretty weird stuff going on with Jabba and Yarna d'al Gargan. Like, I think he made her wear fake warts when she danced for him... because the warts reminded him of his mother.
     
  17. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    please provide a source quote? Tales from Jabbas Palace I guess? But... the ugly weird thing is... I recall something like that, too about them
     
  18. Maximillian-Veers

    Maximillian-Veers Jedi Master star 3

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    I think it's pretty obvious that Jabba's just a big fat pervert. It's not like there aren't humans whom are interested in other, very different species. Weren't we just discussing how Corran Horn dated a Selonian?
     
  19. Darth_Culator

    Darth_Culator Jedi Grand Master star 2

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    You asked for it...

    Yeah, Jabba has issues...
     
  20. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    I shouldn´t have asked :p thx

    Now since we know his "mother" Zorba the Hutt (with a beard) from Glove of Darth Vader... the bearded Hutt Lady lol... why was Jabba hot for his mother/father? I thought Ziro is gay, but Jabba? Well.. Hutts are difficult, how come that Jabba has Aunts and Uncles if they can selfimpregnate? Iis this proof that Jabba had 2 parents?

     
  21. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    The Han Solo Trilogy went to "painful" detail on this.

    In Hutt society, gender etiquette is extremely important in showing respect.

    When a Hutt shifts gender to reproduce, other Hutts and Hutt servants, particularly peers and underlings had better be paying attention and address the Hutt correctly during that time.

    As the EU has marched on, I think some issues have arisen...once upon a time, it was assumed that Hutts were predominantly male, and only were female during the time they were spawning young.

    These days, with a couple female Hutts in steady roles with no sign of "pregnancy", perhaps we can now assume a Hutt can choose which gender to appear as?

    I've also heard some debate that perhaps the Hutt species sits on some evolutionary boundary, and that perhaps both asexual and sexual reproduction may be possible, with "asexual" being the preferred method to assuring clan strength from within, while sexual reproduction is more of political alliance tool with other clans.

    I'm a little scared by how much info I have gleaned about Hutt mating practice.[face_sick]
     
  22. Taral-DLOS

    Taral-DLOS Jedi Master star 3

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    True, but there were some other implications about Hutt reproduction that have changed since the Han Solo Trilogy.

    It had been previously established that Hutts remain female during the entire gestation cycle and youth of the Huttlet (about 50-100 years). The Huttlet is not supposed to spend much time out of the pouch before age 50 (by which time is has the mental capacities of a 10 year old Human). After this point, the Hutt would be free to return to being male.

    However, Jabba is clearly male by The Clone Wars. And Rotta is only about 9 or 10 by the time he was kidnapped (depending on the duration of a Hutt's "pregnancy"; he was probably conceived shortly after the comic Outlander.) So Jabba resumed being a male almost immediately following Rotta's birth.

    It is possible that Jabba, seeing as he himself was a huge success (no pun intended) by age 80, (whereas Hutts aren't even legally responsible for their actions until age 130) may feel that a more intense, out-of-the-pouch approach to parenting will lead to his offspring maturing faster and becoming an early success as he had done. Like a hockey player giving his son a stick, puck, and pads by the time he can walk. "If I'M so good at this, and you're my asexually-conceived offspring, then you MUST also be good at it."

    This approach may or may not have led to Rotta's untimely demise before the Galactic Civil War, possibly turning Jabba away from children forever (re: his attitude towards children in Rebel Dawn) and leaving him without an heir (re: The Jabba Tape.)
     
  23. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    Hmm.. all true, but my question still stands:

    Ziro is Jabbas Uncle

    Zorba is Jabbas Father

    So Ziro and Zorba needs to be brothers if Zorba got Jabba asexually

    So either Jabbas Grandfather fathered Huttlets Ziro AND Zorba or Zorba and a female Hutt fathered 1 of them or both of them.

    Though technically, if Hutt reproduction asexually is selfcloning (as in the Zorba -> Jabba case) then how does Ziro fit into the family being a different color etc.?

    Is this proof Zorba and Ziro were not fathered asexually?
     
  24. Valin__Kenobi

    Valin__Kenobi Author: Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Praji star 4 VIP

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    There's also two other siblings, Jiliac and Pazda. Their parent(s) can simply have reproduced four times--no problem there.

    And Hutts do not reproduce by self-cloning, they are hermaphrodites that can self-fertilize (or mate with others), which still does not produce an identical offspring.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproduction#Autogamy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual_reproduction

    Even if Ziro was produced by self-fertilization, his different color etc could be recessive traits that could still come out especially from inbreeding.
     
  25. RC-1991

    RC-1991 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well, IIRC, Jabba's whole kajidic may have some predilection for humanoid females. In one of the Agents of Chaos books, the Hutt envoy mentions how he "imagines Senator Shesh in dancer's clothing, bringing him tasty treats" or something to that effect[face_sick]. Said character then goes on to attribute this desire to the fact that he is a Desilijic (Jabba's kajidic). The whole point of the passage seems to be to imply that the Desilijic kajidic likes its female humanoid slaves...[face_devil]
     
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