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CT Advanced Ewoks

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Bor Mullet, Aug 8, 2020.

  1. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    In Return of the Jedi, 3PO notes that the Ewoks are using a "very primitive dialect." That implies that Ewokese is a diverse language with multiple dialects. Most importantly, it implies that 3PO is familiar with a more modern/ less primitive dialect of Ewokese. And this, of course, implies that there are more technologically-advanced Ewoks in the galaxy, and that 3PO is more familiar with their Ewokese dialect.

    Discuss.
     
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  2. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 50x Wacky Wed/3x Two Truths/28x H-man winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    In the newcanon (deriving from Legends) the language 3PO used to communicate with the Ewoks was Yuzzum (language of another species of Endor), with Ewokese being "a primitive dialect of Yuzzum"

    https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Yuzzum_(language)

    Probably because the Yuzzum more routinely leave Endor than the Ewoks, and that's how their language ended up in 3PO's database.

    Ewok jerky is known off Endor though, as a dish:

    https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ewok_Jerky

    Maybe that's why the Ewok response to strangers is to eat them - a "You lot capture us and eat us, so we'll do the same to you" kind of poetic justice.
     
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  3. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Master star 4

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    The Ewok population in the slums of Coruscant can be a real nuisance. Woe to those who stumble onto them unarmed. Keep an eye on your tender, succulent flesh.
     
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  4. JEDI-RISING

    JEDI-RISING Chosen One star 6

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    It doesn't imply multiple dialects. It Implies their dialect is primitive.
     
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  5. Chancellor Yoda

    Chancellor Yoda Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Unfortunately Imperial stormtroopers did'nt keep the best eye on their own flesh on Endor.

    [​IMG]

    (And people think their cute).
     
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  6. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    Primitive dialect...of what language? A relationship to other less primitive peoples is implied. 3PO was saying that he wasn’t totally sure what they were saying because they were speaking a very primitive dialect. Which implies that there’s a language related to their Ewokese that he could speak. Doesn’t necessarily mean that there are other Ewoks that speak a less primitive dialect, but it does totally imply that the Endor Ewok dialect is related to other very similar languages that 3PO is familiar with. Which implies that the Ewoks are connected, in some way (remote or otherwise) to peoples who speak a language that is known outside Endor.
     
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  7. JEDI-RISING

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  8. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 50x Wacky Wed/3x Two Truths/28x H-man winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    "Dialect" is to "Language" as "variant" is to anything else. It intrinsically implies being "one of multiple".

    To say "this is an interesting variant of butterfly" makes it fairly clear that this is one of multiple types.
     
  9. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    Great conversation. Are you aware of what a dialect is? If not, here is a standard definition: “a particular form of a language which is peculiar to a specific region or social group.”

    In the context of 3PO’s line, this means that Endor Ewokese is a particular form of a language (a primitive variant) that he isn’t as familiar with. And since he labels it a “primitive variant/ dialect” there is a pretty clear indication that there is a more modern or more commonly used version of the language that 3PO is more familiar with. So there are either more galactically-connected Ewoks out there, or there are other species or groups of people in the galaxy that speak a language that is a more modern version of Ewokese. This is clearly implied by 3PO through his use of the term “primitive dialect.”
     
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  10. JEDI-RISING

    JEDI-RISING Chosen One star 6

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    your idea of conversation is to keep posting until someone says you're right .
     
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  11. StartCenterEnd

    StartCenterEnd Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    According to Canon, 3PO understands the sister language of the Yazzum, another species of Endor that went out into the galaxy.
     
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  12. Iron_lord

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    Yup. As I put it earlier:
     
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  13. Count Yubnub

    Count Yubnub Chosen One star 5

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    I find the idea that there even is such a thing as a primitive dialect to be a bit... well, you know what. Primitive is certainly not a term that a linguist would use to describe a dialect. In other words, there's no such thing as a "primitive dialect."

    Interesting issue though.
     
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  14. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    There is one definition of “dialect.” You seem to be using a personal definition of the term that nobody else uses. If Ewokese is a primitive dialect, as 3PO says, then it is a variant of a language. Implying that there are other dialects or variants of the language. That is a factual observation, not an opinion.

    According to canon, as I’ve just learned, 3PO knows a related language of the Yazzum, who have traveled beyond Endor. Therefore the premise was sound. There are indeed other people who speak a language related to Ewokese, and who are more technologically advanced.
     
  15. Darth Chuck Norris

    Darth Chuck Norris Jedi Master star 4

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    American English is a dialect within the English language. Spanish spoken in Mexico is not the same as Spanish spoken in Spain. It's a dialect within the Spanish language. This is not that tough to understand.
     
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