After All That's Happened, Why Would Obi-Wan Allow Anakin To Escort Padme?

After disobeying his orders throughout the whole movie, why would Obi-Wan allow Anakin to do that? I mean the last time Obi-Wan let him do that, he went killing a bunch of sand-people in an entire different planet. Do you guys understand me?

 

The Jedi obviously do not know of Anakin's Tusken slaughter.

Obi-Wan isn't doing Anakin any favours, Anakin is simply finishing the mission assigned to him by the Jedi council. Protecting Padme.

 

The Jedi obviously do not know of Anakin's Tusken slaughter.

i disagree with that. because after anakin killed all the tuskans, halfway across the galaxy, yoda felt he was in pain, a lot of pain in the meditation room with mace.

the way i always viewed it, anakin took off with padme and left a note or something saying he was taking padme back to naboo. i mean, they did elope after all and how do you think obi-wan would react if he knew the real reason why anakin & padme left so quickly? not well.

 

That to me is the one OUTSTANDING plot flaw in AOTC, one that even EU hasn't dared try to explain. I hate to think we'll have to wait three years to hear the story behind that one.

That Mace even had to ask where Anakin was, to me, indicates it wasn't the Jedi Council (or surviving members of it) that decided Anakin had to escort Padme home. So it's on Obi-Wan. And after seeing Anakin and Padme hugging and kissing after the battle, after seeing Anakin's temper tantrum in the gunship and against Dooku, and after all his strident warnings earlier in the film, it makes our future Jedi ghost look even worse to meekly let them go off without even an offscreen word of protest. God, that ticked me off -- until that moment, I could understand how Obi-Wan and Yoda survived. They were the only Jedi with half a brain! But he let 'em go off, without a word, and thus sealed the Jedi's doom and completely lost my respect. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

Who's the bigger fool indeed, Master Kenobi?

Aeryn: If Anakin had done that, just gone off and left a note, he'd have found a pink slip waiting for him when he got home. At that point he had blatantly disobeyed both Master Kenobi and Master Windu, placed Senator Amidala in mortal danger and cost the Jedi the only chance they had to prevent a war. (And that's not even counting the Tusken massacre that they didn't know about!) There's only so many sins one can forgive in the heat of war.

 

I agree, apparently it was Obi-Wan who allowed Anakin to take Padme back to Naboo, which makes him seem like a pretty dumb guy after he must have realized that Anakin had romantic feelings for her. It just shows once again that he was the Jedi who was chiefly responsible for Anakin's fall to the darkside.

 

`There's only so many sins one can forgive in the heat of war.'

True, but I think Anakins abit beyond caring about what Kenobi and the council think at this stage. And Padme is equally to blame. She knows better than Anakin the cost of their actions.

 

i disagree with that. because after anakin killed all the tuskans, halfway across the galaxy, yoda felt he was in pain, a lot of pain in the meditation room with mace.

Yes, Yoda knew he was in pain - but he did not know what Anakin was busy doing. If he did, they would not let Anakin go unpunished. He only knew that Anakin was suffering. That's all.

Anakin was finishing his assigned task - protecting Padme. She isn't out of danger yet. Gunray and Dooku are still out there - and will probably still try to kill her.

 

Man, some people just love to scream plot hole, dont they? Perhaps the current Senator and former Queen of Naboo requested him? Hard to say no without a really good reason. And without knowing exactly what happened on Tatooine, and I doubt Anakin volunteered the info, they really don't have a good reason.

 

hmmm. meditate on this, i will.

 

Padmé kissed and hugged Anakin in the hangar because she wanted to comfort him. He had just lost an arm and they had become really good friends during their trip together.
That is how Obi-Wan(and Yoda) must have viewed it. Yes, Obi knows about Anakin´s feelings for her, but he doesn´t know squat about her feelings for him, because she is much better at hiding her feelings. And if she doesn´t feel that kind of love for Anakin, nothing will happen. Obi-Wan knows that.

Besides, Obi and Ani are friends. CLOSE friends. Close friends trust eachother. Even if Anakin is attracted to someone, he still knows what he is not supposed to do. His only problem is that he can´t always control his emotions.
Padmé can help him do that....

Boy, will Obi be mad when he finds out!

 

I think it is a combination of Obi-Wan allowing Anakin to take Amidala back to Naboo, and that he was completing his assignment to protect her.

I think there are a couple of reasons that Obi-Wan allows him to keep his commitment to protecting Padme despite what he knows about Anakin's feelings for her.

First of all I think despite Anakin's reckleness when they confronted Dooku, Anakin did save his life when Dooku was about to strike him down.

Secondly, I think he felt bad for his padawan and friend losing his arm, and so then was not the time to get into heavy issues.

As far as completing his duty to protect Amidala, she may have also made sure Anakin was allowed to do so, especially in the fact that they planned to secretly marry.

This was the perfect excuse for Anakin being allowed to continue his duty to her. And who knows, if it had been a problem, they may would have gotten Palpatine involved.

Lastly, I am interested if Yoda would be able to speak with Obi-Wan about the pain and sufering he felt concerning Anakin, and then eventually get the chance to speak with Anakin.

It probably does not happen due to the Clone Wars beginning.

Darth Sin!

 

First of all I think despite Anakin's reckleness when they confronted Dooku, Anakin did save his life when Dooku was about to strike him down.

Secondly, I think he felt bad for his padawan and friend losing his arm, and so then was not the time to get into heavy issues

Sounds logical to me and makes sence... this was pretty much what I was thinking, would have been nice to show this however. Would have teken what, 20 seconds of screen time to do so?


!snap

 

There are several answers:

1) Anakin may have simply said: "I'm taking her back to Naboo." and no one thought anything of it. Jedi have a habit of missing things that are plain as day right in front of their faces. This may cause them trouble in Episode 3.

2) Anakin has been warned and has made up his mind: He's willing to risk being kicked out of the Jedi Order for Padme. At this point, he doesn't give a damn. I wouldn't be surprised if he's expelled early on in Episode 3.

3) Obi-Wan may have given him permission to take Padme home and didn't even think about the repercussions until Windu asked about Anakin's whereabouts. See #1, and keep in mind Anakin did save Kenobi from being skewered by Dooku, lost an arm in the process and delayed Dooku long enough for Yoda to fight him (and almost kill him).

4) Anakin is still under the orders of the Jedi Council AND Palpatine. Palps could have sent Anakin to take Padme to Naboo. Hell, considering the potential for mischief, he may have deliberately ordered Anakin to take her home. Sidious might have given Anakin champaigne, strawberries, and even some Barry White CDs to take with him for good measure.

 

Just for the sake of argument, I'll say that even tho Anakin did save Obi-Wan's life, the situation that put him at risk in the first place is that Anakin didn't follow his lead. "I'm taking him NOW!". Who knows how much better they would have fared against Dooku if Anakin had listened to his master? Actually, not much better I think but would Obi-Wan use the argument against Anakin?

 

Pity and guilt.

Obi-wan knew that Anakin was having visions of his mother being murdered, and he blew them off, accusing Anakin of not being attuned in the force enough to have such visions. Anakin lost his mother, lost his arm. he is young, and impetuous. He paid for it heavily. Why rub it in worse?

Also, Obi-wan never would have imagined that Padme would return Anakin's feelings. He thinks it's just a crush on Anakin's part. he thinks Padme is too rational to fall in love with Anakin. But really, Padme is just as reckless as Anakin is, under the surface.

Mace didn't show grave concern, just some concern, condsidering his recent injury, Anakin should have been resting.

 

snap-hiss: GL doesn´t tell Star Wars in that way. He lets us sit down and figure things out afterwards. Which is what makes it so great. There are hundreds of ways to interpret Star Wars!

 

Perhaps Obi-Wan was concerned by Anakin's anger and decided it would only escalate if he forced Anakin and Padme apart.

He may also have thought that Padme is one of the few people who make Anakin truly happy so she might be a positive influence and will divert him from the dark path that he is starting to tread.

 

shouldn't all the jedi, especially obi-wan be angry that anakin left naboo to go to tatooine. he disobeyed a direct order from the council to do whatever he wanted.

 

elfdart,

"2) Anakin has been warned and has made up his mind: He's willing to risk being kicked out of the Jedi Order for Padme. At this point, he doesn't give a damn. I wouldn't be surprised if he's expelled early on in Episode 3."

[Warning: idle speculation ahead]

I agree fully on your last point. I'd be willing to bet that the fact that Anakin has been expelled will be the initial plot driver of EPIII. The movie will open on Tatooine with Anakin and Padme living at the Lars homestead, and for some reason, Obi-wan will arrive to enlist his support in the war effort. Such a device would satisfy the requirement for Owen to actually know Anakin, and for Obi-wan to want Anakin to go off on an "idealistic crusade." The expulsion of Anakin would also fuel his resentment of the Jedi, and would be a fitting rationale for Obi-wan making such a vocal point about him being expelled for his personal attachments (prior to the battle with Dooku).

[End idle speculation]

Regarding the point of the thread, however, I honestly think that Obi-wan tries to live vicariously through Anakin. He's a guy, after all, who tells Anakin that "dreams pass in time" -- which sounds to me like Obi-wan may not be entirely wedded to the idea of being beholden to the Jedi for eternity, or at least he may be having second thoughts. (Ironic, considering he'll spend the rest of his natural life in isolation -- in a spiritual desert -- as a result of his affiliation with the Jedi.) Anakin, rebellious as he is, may satisfy an urge within Obi-wan. If that were true, then his allowing Anakin to go off with Padme may be a kind of vicarious wish-fulfillment, in which Obi-wan loosens his grip on Anakin, so that Anakin can do the things Obi-wan never could.

 

I know why!!!!!










IT WAS IN THE SCRIPT!!!

jk

 

I think a great deal has to do with the Jedi underestimating Padme's feelings for Anakin. I mean, she had Obi-Wan fooled throughout TPM; why would it surprise you that he didn't know she loved Anakin?

Yes, they were hugging in the hanger, but they'd also spent quite a bit of time together; she had been there for him when his mother died. They'd formed a friendship.

I think that either: A) they let him bring her back because it was the task he was assigned, B) Palpatine said he'd feel safer with Padme under Anakin's care and C) Padme requested to be brought home, and Anakin just seemed like the logical choice.

Skywalker Child

 

There was so much going on that Anakin's problems didn't even have precedence.

 

Maybe Obi-Wan trusted Anakin enough and maybe finally just gave in. Who knows? Mystery

 

I agree with those who say it's a combination of finishing his Jedi duty to guard Padme and the fact that they don't know how she feels about Anakin. At that point Obi-Wan and the Jedi have enough to worry about so they didn't consider it as much as they should have. Obi-Wan was trying to have faith in the kid for once. Thinking Anakin might actually do the right thing for once given what his impulsiveness almost cost them earlier. So, let the kid finish his duty. Little do they know he did much more than that.

Padme did not have Obi-Wan fooled throughout TPM, I'm assuming that you are refering to the decoy situation. When you see her confess to Boss Nass, you see a smile of recognition from both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. Padme was confirming what they both already knew. George Lucas's commentary on the TPM DVD also confirms this point. Obi-Wan knew that the real queen had gone with Qui-Gon and the one on the ship was a decoy.

 

I like the idea that it could have happened simply because the Jedi have bigger fish to fry. But, this would also suggest that they would have more meaningful assignments for Anakin to pursue than acting as an escort for one senator.