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Alex North's soundtrack for 2001 A Space Odyssey vs. the Kubrick choices

Discussion in 'Archive: The Amphitheatre' started by JohnWesleyDowney, Apr 23, 2011.

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  1. JohnWesleyDowney

    JohnWesleyDowney Jedi Master star 5

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    Like the film or not, one of the most memorable aspects of Kubrick's singular film is the use of previous recordings of both famous and not so famous classical recordings: Thus Spoke Zaruthustra, The Blue Danube and the otherworldly music of Gyorgy Ligeti.

    It's well-known that Kubrick had commissioned a score from composer Alex North who Kubrick had worked with when he directed Spartacus. North was a successful and established Hollywood composer. When Kubrick heard North's completed score, he decided that the "temporary" music tracks he'd used during the editing process worked better and he decided to leave them in. Kubrick never informed North of his decision and the composer was devastated when he went to see the film in a theatre and his music was nowhere to be heard.

    Composer Jerry Goldsmith championed North's score and saw to it that it got heard. Goldsmith liked North's work much more than what Kubrick did and did everything he could to help North's score get recognition.

    Since I'm assuming most of you have heard the iconic music tracks from the released film, I thought it might be interesting for everyone to hear what North composed in sync with Kubrick's images so that you could form your own opinion.

    2001 Main Titles and Dawn of Man sequence by Alex North

    Main Titles Again but with Alex North Space Ballet

    Alex North 2001 tracks for Monolith Scene and Star Child Sequence

    Win or Fail?
     
  2. Django211

    Django211 Force Ghost star 4

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    I was surprised at how dated this made the movie feel. It sounds like a score from the 60's-70s. I think the classical score gave it a timeless quality. North's score also makes the effects feel slow. Now this might just be from knowing the film and its music tied together. Its hard to try to forget the soundtrack and view this with fresh eyes. However it is an interesting experiment.
     
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  4. JohnWesleyDowney

    JohnWesleyDowney Jedi Master star 5

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    "Ugh" is probably a direct quote of what Kubrick said when he listened to North's score.
    [face_mischief]

    Kubrick is fortunate he had the clout at that point to tell the studio "no" despite all the money they had spent on North and the recording sessions. It sounds like an expensive score.
     
  5. Chancellor_Ewok

    Chancellor_Ewok Chosen One star 7

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    I like parts of it. The main titles are very sweeping and epic, but the docking sequence music didn't fit and the Monolith music sounded like a bad Star Trek episode. I also like the moonshuttle music. Very operatic.

    Overall, though Kubrick's temptrack was perfect for 2001, but it would be interesting to hearn North's main theme laid over Star Wars' opening crawl or the throne room scene at the end of Ep.IV. It would probably be a perfect match.
     
  6. JohnWesleyDowney

    JohnWesleyDowney Jedi Master star 5

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    After listening to the tracks several times, my main reaction is that North's score sounds quite a bit like his Spartacus score, which is probably a main reason Kubrick didn't use it.
     
  7. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I'm one of those crazy few who'd love to see a remake of 2001 made (Kubrick's film is something to be studied more than enjoyed, IMO- it'd be nice to have a version that was the opposite, which could convey a story more concerned with coherence and relatability than episodic artsy indifference), but even I never thought to mess with the soundtrack much.

    That said, North's opening title actually does feel more organic to what's being shown on screen (Also Sprach Zarathustra should have been kept, IMO, for the bone-smashing scene/space transition) and feels less art house/student film-like.

    However, the North music for the rest of the Dawn of Man sequence is out of place- the original silence is more effective.

    The initial starliner bit I'm indifferent to- either version is a playful song which can betray some cheesiness.

    The second starliner "moon approach" bit is fine to me (though I confess I don't recall what was used originally- been too long since I've tried to watch 2001).

    ...that is, until the Star Trek singing comes in at the end. It's sounds awful in TOS and it sounds bad here (though it's not quite as "old sitcom" Dick-Van-Dyke-Show-sounding here at least).

    However, the North theme might actually work for the Starchild shot. Hard to say, given how WTF? that sequence is ;).

    (and yes, I know the book explains it, but you shouldn't have to read the book to understand the movie)
     
  8. JohnWesleyDowney

    JohnWesleyDowney Jedi Master star 5

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    This whole issue of North's score vs. Kubrick's choices would be interesting to extend to other films. For example,
    Howard Shore wrote a score for Peter Jackson's King Kong which was discarded for a new one. I'd love to hear what
    Shore composed to try and determine why Jackson discarded it. Especially since Jackson seemed please with Shore's
    work for the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
     
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