Anakin and Padme's FIRST Child

Actually this theory is suggested by Ulkesh2 over in the Literature forum. Thanks!

What if Anakin and Padme's first child is NOT Luke or Leia and this child dies as a result of something that happens in the Clone Wars. This would be another huge step on Anakin's fall to the Dark Side. Perhaps he falls after Padme is again pregnant but he doesn't know she is. This is why he doesn't know he has any kids until Luke pops the Death Star.

Does this sound like a nonsensical waste of time when we could see baby twins on the screen or a cool set-up for Anakin's feelings toward his children?

 

that's actually a pretty good theory, one that I haven't heard before.

The whole birth-of-the-twins is already a problem with me: there are 2 ways of looking at it (or 3, if we include your theory) (a) Anakin will be away from Coruscant/Naboo for an extended period of time b/c of the Clone Wars, thus it is possible that Padme went thru pregnancy and labour without Anakin discovering it, thus it's possible he doesn't know of Luke and Leia's existence.

(b) Anakin knows Padme is pregnant - she doesn't tell him that it will be twins. So does she tell him he has a son?

The way that Anakin has been portrayed so far, and the way that Vader searched for Luke in ESB, makes me think that family is such a huge part of Anakin's life that he would not be able to rest if he knew his child was out there somewhere in the galaxy.

And why doesn't he go after Padme?

I'm thinking Anakin is duped into thinking Padme (and the twins) are dead.

Now whether that's Sidious, to turn Anakin to the Dark Side, or Obi-Wan, to hide Padme, Luke, and Leia, is another question.

 

I also like the theroy,

What if Anakin and Padme's first child is NOT Luke or Leia and this child dies as a result of something that happens in the Clone Wars. This would be another huge step on Anakin's fall to the Dark Side. Perhaps he falls after Padme is again pregnant but he doesn't know she is. This is why he doesn't know he has any kids until Luke pops the Star.

It could add to anakins anger, the kind he shows in eppy 2 when he says some day he'll stop people from dieing, and end up with his turn.

 

I also think it could have the kind of shocking surprise factor of ESB's twist to see Padme have a child early in the film and then see that child killed. It would make the film VERY dark (as promised) and add more emotional weight to Anakin's fall as well as later Classic Trilogy scenes when he is with his children.

 

Hmmm....I wonder, though - would it be TOO dark for SW?

People were asking the same thing about the Padawans that Yoda was training, the "Bear Clan" or whatever - are we going to see scenes of them being killed?

I think it's a great idea, but maybe too violent for SW. It's still supposed to be a "space opera".

 

This is a good theory, but i must say that i am inclined to belive otherwise. Why, you ask??? Becase Lucas has never made an SW film longer than around 2 and a half hours. I think that it would be way too abrupt to have to establish a new character, establish the great amount of love that his parents have to have for them, and cause his death, and introduce the birth of two other children, all in the same movie. This would be possible in any other movie, however, there are already too many things that HAVE to happen in this final film in order for the story to fit the right way.

Kudos for thinking that up though.

 

The main question is WHY? Perhaps can be attached to the begining of any theory to make it seem believable. Anything's possible.

What's the point? There's plenty reasons already there to make Anakin fall to the Dark Side.

Plus, as mentioned, there are time constraints on a film especially one like this that has all kinds of things to fit in, there's no need to waste a chunk of space on another reason for Anakin to fall when you can use something much more effective, like Padme dying.

 

Elan Sleazebaggano fathered the first child; thus sending Anakin down the dark path.

 

yahhhh...that would be enough to send me down the dark path!

Of course, McDonald's getting my order wrong would also be enough....

 

I have to agree with Aesop here. There is no reason for there to have been a child before Luke and Leia. The path to Anakin's fall is already clear. It would not add enough to the story to warrant being included and could backfire; there is already enough death and pain in Anakin's life that writing in something like this could just come off as a cheap cliché.

 

What if Anakin and Padme's first child is NOT Luke or Leia and this child dies as a result of something that happens in the Clone Wars. This would be another huge step on Anakin's fall to the Dark Side.

I did see this thread earlier when I checked the board, but I didn't respond then. I like this idea and it's a pretty good reason why Anakin would not know about Leia. If it was a difficult birth, he probably thought she died and Luke was his only child.

~aeryn

 

there could be triplets and one of them, the only one Anakin knows about, would get killed. that could help with time constraints, perhaps.

 

Its an interesting idea and it could add to the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker, the loss he goes through the idea of a third child the only one Anakin knows about being killed by the enemy before Anakin. I wonder which enemy it could be though.

 

I think it would be possible to do in 2 and 1/2 hours. You wouldn't have to go into any great detail - just have a scene where Padme and Anakin grieve. Their emotion will be enough emotion to give the plot point, if they did it right.

On that note, I don't really think that will happen. It would be an interesting twist, though - and interesting to play that theme of loss out, into Padme and Anakin losing the chance to raise their own children, yet again.

 

It would be an interesting twist, though - and interesting to play that theme of loss out, into Padme and Anakin losing the chance to raise their own children, yet again.

I agree, obaona Now, that I'd have some time away from this thread, I doubt too this will happen. GL has said nothing about a third child but hey, if anyone wants to take that plot bunny, I'd love to read it

~aeryn

 

Actually Aeryn, I think that fan fic has already been written. I know I've read it either on the site or I beta'd it.

Also, I kinda like the idea that there is another Skywalker. I think to work he/she would have to die AFTER the twins were conceived, especially if that is what turns Anakin. The way I see it the child would be in the Jedi temple as a padawan perhaps or simply on Courscant. If he/she were a padawan, he/she would be killed following a purge of the Jedi. Or if he/she is simply on Courscant, he/she would be felled by a failed assassination attempt on Padme's life or simply assassinated him/herself.

But most of you are right, I don't know if there is enough time to add that too. We don't need another string to tie up in this movie. There's way too many already.

 

good AU plot, but not something likely to happen or something I would like to see happen. There's no mention of a third child, nor is there a reason for one, so ...why would Lucas bother to put one in?

 

[color=663300] Hmmm....I wonder, though - would it be TOO dark for SW?

Well, if having Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen laying on the ground, toasted from burning to death isn't too dark for Star Wars, then having a child die shouldn't be.

but I don't think it would happen. Who knows tho. It'd be interesting[/color]

 

My only problem with the theory that Anakin doesn't know she is pregnant, that I SWEAR that in the scene in AOTC where they are getting married, she is pregnant with a little bump she puts her hand over. No one else believes me on that point, or at least not my adopter, the people I went to the theatres with to see it believe me, but so far, I can rally no more votes of confidence. Did anyone else see that tiny segment of the scene?

 

I vaguely recall the scene. MY only problem with Padme being pregnant is it just doesn't seem to fit in the SW universe. All killing and evilness aside, the characters all seem pretty pure. A "shotgun wedding" of sorts just doesn't fit the Star Wars Universe.

Well there is another reason I don't think she's pregnant there but since this is a non-spoiler site, I guess I can't. Does things the actors/actresses say and the webcam count as spoilers? I wouldn't think so but it's hard to tell after the uproar with the other thing that was announced officially from the Official site.....

 

Yeah, I'd keep it out of this forum, unless it fits into one of the "Official Site: Characters" or "Hyperspace: Discussion" threads.

If the info was revealed on Hyperspace, NO MATTER WHERE IT RELATES, it must be discussed only in the Hyperspace thread.

 

Kerann, there are people who think Padme's pregnant at that point. I could see where you see that. The thing is that it couldn't be Luke and Leia because then he'd know about Leia woudln't he? But it might work for a third child theory

-sj loves kevin spacey

 

I'm still insisting it's quite possible (if not probable) that Anakin doesn't even know of LUKE's existence, let alone Leia's.

 

Kerann : The problem I see with that, like Solo said is that, if she is pregnant, then it certainly isn't Luke or Leia..........if you recall, Episode 2 takes place 2-3 years before Episode 3. If she is pregnant then in E3, she will have already had a child.............unless of course it turned out to be a miscarriage and she didn't have it in the first place.

If she was pregnant at the end of the scene, then it certainly wasn't Luke or Leia. I'll have to go back and see the scene again. All these theories seem pretty good though Very Interesting...

*rubs his chin*

 

My only problem with the theory that Anakin doesn't know she is pregnant, that I SWEAR that in the scene in AOTC where they are getting married, she is pregnant with a little bump she puts her hand over. No one else believes me on that point, or at least not my adopter, the people I went to the theatres with to see it believe me, but so far, I can rally no more votes of confidence. Did anyone else see that tiny segment of the scene?

I can kind of see how one would think that, but I think it's more the natural shape of Natalie Portman's belly and the dress than Padme being preggers.

For one thing, the wedding doesn't take long after geonosis, and she is very clearly NOT pregnant on Geonosis. For another, if she were pregnant, it's doubtful the baby could be Anakin's, since she doesn't seem to confess she loves him until Geonosis. Of course, he could be getting some Padme nookie on the side but it isn't likely. It's also extremely unlike Padme's going to bare a child that ISN'T Anakins.