CT Anakin force ghost in ROTJ. How could this be?

In the original Return of the Jedi (or the ridiculous SE) Anakin is a force ghost at the end. How is he able to do this if Yoda never taught him how...like he did with Obi Won and how Qui Gong taught Yoda? Is there an EU story about this? If I'm correct I think there was a mention in the TV show that Yoda would have to teach this to the chosen one...Is this correct?

 

Anakin was quite powerful, and conceived by the Force. It is reasonable to assume that he had no issue becoming a Force Ghost.

 

There is a couple of EU stories (by the same author) - Ryder Windham's The Rise & Fall of Darth Vader, and The Life & Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi. In both, Kenobi comes to Vader immediately after his death - and tells him that if he listens now, Kenobi can teach him the secret:

The Rise & Fall of Darth Vader:

Closing his eyes as he slumped back against the shuttle ramp, Anakin Skywalker had every reason to believe he was finally about to embrace perpetual darkness.
Not for the first time, he was wrong.

Initially, there was darkness for Anakin Skywalker, a boundless shadowy realm, like a universe without stars. But then, from somewhere at the edge of his awareness, he perceived a distant, shimmering light, then heard a voice say, Anakin.
The voice was familiar.
Although Anakin no longer had a body or mouth with which to speak, he somehow answered, Obi-Wan? Master, I'm so sorry. So very, very—
Anakin, listen carefully, Obi-Wan interrupted, and Anakin was aware that the distant light was either growing brighter or closer, or perhaps both. You are in the netherworld of the Force, but if you ever wish to revisit corporeal space, then I still have one thing left to teach you. A way to become one with the Force, If you choose this path to immortality, then you must listen now, before your consciousness fades.
Knowing he was beyond redemption, Anakin said, But Master ... why me?
Because you ended the horror, Anakin, Obi-Wan said. Because you fulfilled the prophesy.
The light was very bright now.
Anakin's first thought was that he might be able to see his children again. He said, Thank you, Master.

The Life & Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi

Had Obi-Wan's spirit not witnessed Vader's action, he never would have believed it. Vader, the same monster that Obi-Wan had left to die on Mustafar, had sacrificed himself to save his son. And suddenly Obi-Wan realized where he had failed. For unlike Luke, Obi-Wan had not only believed that Anakin was consumed by the dark side, but had actually refused to believe that any goodness remained within Vader. And by refusing to allow that possibility, Obi-Wan had condemned not only his former friend but his own capacity for hope.
Fortunately, Luke's unwavering faith in his father's innate goodness had proved to be a stronger force than the power of the dark side.
Obi-Wan recalled what Qui-Gon Jinn's spirit had told him so long ago, when he said that Obi-Wan was not ready, and that he failed to understand. For so many years, Obi-Wan had thought Qui-Gon meant that he wasn't ready to comprehend details about Anakin's conversion to the dark side. But now, he finally understood his Master's words.
I wasn't ready to forgive Anakin. And he won't be entirely free unless I do.
Unfortunately, just as Obi-Wan realised that Anakin Skywalker lived, he also knew that Anakin would not live much longer. As Luke hauled his dying father toward a shuttle, Obi-Wan's spirit shifted his own psyche to another realm. And he waited.

After Anakin died in his son's arms, Obi-Wan called out into the void, "Anakin."
A moment later, Obi-Wan heard a familiar voice return from the darkness. "Obi-Wan? Master, I'm so sorry. So very, very—"
"Anakin, listen carefully," Obi-Wan interrupted. "You are in the netherworld of the Force, but if you ever wish to revisit corporeal space, then I still have one thing left to teach you. A way to become one with the Force. If you choose this path to immortality, you must listen now, before your consciousness fades."
Obi-Wan sensed confusion and remorse in Anakin's psyche, then Anakin answered, "But Master ... why me?"
"Because you ended the horror, Anakin," Obi-Wan said. "Because you fulfilled the prophesy. Because you were ... and are ... The Chosen One."
But Obi-Wan knew in his heart that those were not the only reasons. He added, "Because I was wrong about you. And because I am your friend."

 

In the rough draft…Ben explains that…if "Vader becomes one with the dark side of the Force, he will lose all identity. If he turns to the good side, he will pass through the Netherworld" and in the revised rough draft, Yoda "will rescue him before he becomes one with the Force."

--Laurent Bouzereau, Return Of The Jedi The Annotated Screenplay page 300.

"This little scene where he burns his father's body, it wasn't originally in the script. But I decided it gave more closure in terms of Luke's relationship to his father, letting go of his father. Even though later on, as we get to the end of the movie, as he joins the Force, he was able to retain his original identity, it's because of Obi-Wan and Yoda, who learnt how to do that: how to join the Force at will and then retain your identity. But it was his 'identity as he was when he died as Anakin Skywalker.'"

--George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.

 

Cool! Thanks bro!

 

Is this a comic or novel?

 

Lol.what a contradiction to his SE changes

 

How? That's exactly the explanation. And that's commentary FROM the SE changes lol

 

"When he died as Anakin" for me means when he died in Luke's arms, not in ROTS...but I guess I'm wrong....it just doesn't sound right in my opinion with the SE changes

 

They are two novels (aimed at younger ages).

 

Who he was in ROTS was the good man who fell. That was what Lucas wanted to take it back to with the 2004 changes. When he becomes Vader, the good man within him dies, but he is resurrected by Luke's compassion for his father.

 

And once resurrected, he still manages to kill the Emperor and later dies in his son's arms - in ROTJ, approximately twenty years after ROTS.

The Hayden ghost might have worked if they'd gone with the early draft concept of Vader throwing himself into a lava pit with the Emperor, but as it stands, Vader turns back ("NOOO!!!" or not), kills the Emperor, gets dragged to a shuttle, is unmasked, looks upon his son "with his own eyes", tells this son that he was right all along, even gets in a message for Leia, then dies. That's a fair bit of activity for Old Anakin to be involved in after he's thrown his Vader identity aside, and he seemed pretty 'good' during those last few minutes.

 

That SW saga occurred long before this poor excuse for a TV show was conceived.

 

It was a gift of the force just like Obi-Wan's and Yoda's continued existence was.

 

In 1983, it seemed that Force Ghosting is what happened to any force user when they died.
In 2005, it was amended that only through intense study of the force* can one achieve the ability to Force Ghost.

But since Anakin threw an old man down a hole, he got to cheat off of everyone else and jumped directly to the front of the line for Force Ghosting.

(* Only the elitist light side get to do this.)

 

I love the T

I love the Emmy Award Winning TV show The Clone Wars

 

In 2014, Mother Talzin is shown as some kind of ghostly being - who possesses Dooku, but shortly afterwards, has her body restored. (Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir - one of the first "New Canon" comics.)

 

I love the Oscar winning motion picture The Return of the King. What's your favourite colour?

 

Right, but the soul is supposed to be the untouched form whereas the physical form represents the corruption of the dark side. Whereas Yoda and Obi-wan lived more purer lives up to their becoming one with the Force, which is why they still look as they did.

Which doesn't change anything other than there is now an in-universe explanation for how Yoda learns this from Qui-gon and will pass it on to Obi-wan and then we know that they pass it on to Anakin, since Vader steps on Obi-wan's cloak thinking its a trick of some sort.

I wouldn't call it cheating. Qui-gon told Yoda that it is a state that can only be achieve through compassion and selflessness. Something that Anakin becomes when he saves Luke. He has no sense of self. No greed. Helping him isn't cheating, but a gift for both their friend and for their student.

All right, look, there's only one "Return," okay, and it ain't "of the King," it's "of the Jedi."

 

Exactly this. To go back to Hayden ruins the growth Anakin had here imo. Anakin and Luke have a father and son moment here. Shaw is the one that screams father to me. And story consistency but guess fan want trumps that.

 

I think more than anything else, GL wanted to throw in an extra tie in to the PT just because he could. He explained his reasoning, which more or less works for me if I don't read into it too much, but it was certainly not a necessary change. And yes, we are meant to believe that Obi-Wan and Yoda helped him out so that he could retain his good identity whether that was old Anakin or young.

 

Should be for story reasons and not tie in reasons.
To me it is, who do you empathize with more? Anakin on his journey from the light to the dark and back to the light or Luke on his journey to find a father figure and redeem him?

 

I guess they were trying to keep with the modern audience.

 

This. Money.

 

Money Yes sense of it no.