Anakin is just a big loser...

...and because of that AOTC is a masterpiece. First we´ve seen Vader as the ruthless mysterious dark Lord of the Sith in ANH, then as the even more ruthless killer in ESB and then his redemption in ROTJ (an old man, 100% broken).
In TPM we´ve seen the kid, the innocent (and truely annoying) little Anakin, but AOTC is completely different.
Anakin is just a big loser: His girlfriend tells him what to do all the time (OB1 too). He doesn´t get things right, always loses his lightsaber, gets captured, loses his arm....
Where´s Vader, the powerful dark Lord??
He will to be created in EpIII! Anakin he´s a loser, but he does not want to be a loser, so he choses the fast way....

 

Well, everyone makes mistakes. You can go through life making mistakes. It's a part of how we grow.

But, I do like what you are saying, how he was the innocent child in TPM to the ruthless killer in ROTJ. Very interesting.

 

I think OB1 is the biggest loser though. All he want's to do is live like a respectable jedi and follow the code, but things go awry when he get's a master who plays by his own rules, OB1 desperately tries to persuade Qui-Gon to follow the jedi-code, but Qui-Gon ignores him, which must be very frustrating. His master is then killed and he is stuck with training and, basically, raising a kid he did'nt want anyting to do with in the first place, the kid then turns out to be Qui-Gon times ten regarding respect for the jedi council and their authority. Eventually he is forced to fight his padawan and (presumably) wins (this might actually be one of the highlights in his life. then he goes and hides in the desert for 20 years while watching over the kid's offspring, finally he leads the offspring on a rescue mission and ends up, after a few humiliating insults, being killed by that darn brat(him again). Yep, OB1 definately draws the shortest stick.

 

Actually, though Vader is very ruthless and Powerful in ANH, by ESB, and definitely in RotJ, he appears to be the powerful Emperor's obedient servant. He seems to lose a great deal of power in ESB, when we realize that he is answerable to his master. Poor Anakin IS a loser: he lost his soul, yet did not manage to become the most powerful person in the galaxy. He never managed to topple the Emperor. He realizes at the end of RotJ, that real power comes from making the right choice; that it is better to die, if in the process he can rid the galaxy of the Emperor. He DOES NOT dies a broken, old man; he dies a Jedi who fulfils what he was destined to do (finally).

 

You actually took the original post seriously?

 

Poor Anakin.

First it's Watto bossing him around. Not the most positive male role model for a young boy.

Then it's Qui-Gon; who isn't so bad but he kinda croaks within the first few days of Anakin knowing him.

Then, Obi-Wan; Poor Anakin probably just wants to go to the dark side so he can use the force choke everytime Obi-Wan mentions the words my, very, young, and padawan in the same sentence. I know I would.

And that of course leads to Palpatine, and, well...would YOU want to be an apprentice for the old prune?

And on top of it all, he has to deal with having 'Annie' as a nickname! I mean, what does it say when your wife calls you Ani?

Speaking of whom, the girl also orders him around to the point where he's "given up arguing" with her. As anyone who has been in an argument with a teenager knows, that is quite a feat. She also has managed to give him some sort of leather fetish that he'll tragically become addicted to.

Poor Ani. He truly is the most tragic character in the GFFA.

(Well, I think he is. But, I think (read: hope) this is a humor topic, and therefore, I shall treat it as such. )

 

"Anakin is just a big loser..."

Yup, that's the point of the saga more or less.

 

Anakin even loses his lightsaber.

 

Not so much more a loser than anyone else... i mean we are all answerable to somebody...Anakin just didnt have another way to deal with his stress and zone out, a hobbie so to speak. like for most of us we can zone out on these boards.....
just think if the Republic would have had access to this site, the whole empire might have never been created and anakin and padme could be living on Naboo with a whole bunch of baby skywalkers (shudders at the thoughts of a housefull of skywalker kids whining that dad wont let them go to toche station to pick up power converters)

 

Now I see it, never mind.

 

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YJ edit: Not necessary.

 

not only that, anakin whines extremely too much in aotc.

 

"Anakin he´s a loser, but he does not want to be a loser, so he choses the fast way..."


Way to simply it, buddy.

 

Amazing that this thread is still even open???

YJ edit: Next time, send a PM to one of the forum moderators, rather than derailing the thread.

 

Kind of like Peter Parker (loser) and Spiderman (ultra cool) Except Anakin doesn't learn the great power/great responsibilty lesson

 

Kind of like Peter Parker (loser) and Spiderman (ultra cool)

Too true. Though Anakin is somewhat of a loser, Vader is uber cool! Vader practically defines SW! He is a household name. Imperial officers quake when he does something as simple as walk by. What a voice! And not a single whine, even when he sees Luke go off into hyperspace at the end of ESB.

 

Too bad Anakin couldn't have been somebody like Ferris Bueller or Parker Luis Can't Lose.

Then he'd be singing on a parade float on Coruscant!

 

Don't be too amazed, DarthBreezy--name-calling is very popular on the JC, remember?

Of course in truth, this thread didn't piss me off as much as I expected it to--admiral jimmy, I can see your point, but I don't think "loser" is the word I would use. Anakin feels like he has been held back all his life, first by Watto, then by the Jedi, and he's sick of it and wants out. He wants the power and control that he's always felt like he's deserved--and who among us doesn't want to be in control of his/her own life, rather than having other people telling us what to do and how to think every time we turn around? He's too young and immature to have the foresight to be patient, so when he's given the opportunity to be the "most powerful Jedi ever", and quick, he jumps at the chance. Tragically, his lack of patience and his lack of vision becomes his downfall--and he does end up losing in the end, and so does everyone who has ever loved him, including Padme and Obi-Wan.

(BTW, I boss my husband around, too. It's the 21st century. )

 

If you have a problem with a thread, or if you think a thread should be locked, send a PM to myself or another moderator. Don't derail the thread by saying that it should be locked. Let a mod make that decision.

 

Well if you want to see it that way, that's your perogative.....

But what Anakin really is a classic tragic hero. He is a great man with a fatal flaw that destroys that which he loves, falling from grace in the process. At the end of his life he "sees" his mistakes and is redeemed.(See Aristotle's Poetics for more information on tragedy)

This is a very basic dramatic pattern. He is not a tragic hero in the Willy Loman sort of way--in that case the "loser," everyman motif would apply. But from the onset he is set apart from the masses by his extraordinary Force sensitivity--in other words he is above ordinary men, so the loser image doesn't really apply. It doesn't matter that he was enslaved--that is just a side note which fuels his tragic flaw.

If you really examine the entire series, you can see this dynamic at work. It has little or nothing to do with any of our modern sensibilities about things. GL is very sepcifically working with major literary themes that are evident throughout the years.