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Anakin Solo will return... prepare for the Inevitable (theory based on LOTF Inferno regarding FOTJ )

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  1. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    NO spoilers for FOTJ ;)

    Troy Denning is THE Ressurrector of the authors. He killed off a lot of chars and resurrected the majority later. so.. why not Anakin?
    -Tahiri is still important
    -so is their Ikrit Prophecy
    -Anakin hints all over LOTF


    "Anakin Solo died within the Vong cloning lab" LOTF Inferno quote from the flowwalking scenes in the beginning.

    Maybe the Vong cloned him... since they failed to shape Tahiri and Jacen, Anakin's clone was ready just after Jacens escape. He grew up as a human Vong with the Force, naturally and not trained he used the raw power of the Force instead of a controlled river, he learned Vong philosophy and rules but soon his memory would shine through and the Force presence of Anakin Solo will re-turn into the clone body. troubled and deep in thoughts he tried to find himself and solve the puzzle of his dual allegiance and personality. when finally he solved it, the war was over, the Vong gone with Zonama Sekot... left behind on Myrkrr he was trapped between Vornskrr, Ysalamiri and rogue Voxyn but made a living of his own there, without any starships left. the event that triggered his memory to return and his turn away from the Vong was the kiss of Tahiri during SBS he remembered. the kiss that only happened after Tahiri corrected the past with Jacen
    flowwalking during LOTF. Soon Anakin will find a path offworld and return to the galaxy and his family.. a clone... changed but new... and yet the same Anakin, the same Force presence, the same soul that loves Tahiri and wants to return to her. During Anakins 5 year sojourn Jacen met him... through Jacen he got offworld. But Jacen thought him dead,
    and thought this Anakin is just a Vong creation to look like him. since peaceful he let it go offworld, with the promise to never ever return to the family that according to Jacen was not Anakins (or Clone'akins).Having promised that, Anakin roamed the galaxy as cloacked wanderer helping others Jedilike but still in hiding. He watched his family and Tahiri from afar though. the thing Jacen awakened during his sojourn is Anakin. and unbeknownst to anakin himself.. he spreads a former Vong bioweapon like a disease against Jedi. meeting Seff Helin accidently when spying on Tahiri, cloacked by the Force,
    Anakin infected him.

    Alright, this has basically become "101 Anakin-resurrection what-ifs." We don't need a whole thread of "Here's my fanon scenario." This thread stopped offering anything new or discussion-stimulating a long time ago. It's had a good run, but it's time to put it to bed.
     
  2. Master_Jedi_LS

    Master_Jedi_LS Jedi Youngling star 1

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    That sounds like a pretty good story to me.... It actually would make a little since too.
     
  3. Vrook_Lamar

    Vrook_Lamar Jedi Padawan star 4

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    After what Palpatine tried to do to him as a baby? No thankyou.
     
  4. Rouge77

    Rouge77 Jedi Knight star 5

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    I truly hope that they would bring Anakin back, but I don't really can see it happening. It would mean rain on Ben's parade and we can't have that.

    And I don't remember Denning resurrecting any other characters except Raynar Thul and Alema Rar, who was Denning's favourite object of mistreatment and thus her resurrection in LotF was just natural.
     
  5. Zorrixor

    Zorrixor Chosen One star 6

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    I'm highly sceptical about Anakin ever returning per se. However, I've also been highly surprised that Denning didn't tease the idea more than he did. As things stand, I wouldn't be surprised to see Anakin return "in spirit" (and by that I don't necessarily mean as a spirit, I mean simply his legacy having some relevance).

    LOTF promised a lot as far as "answering the mystery of Vergere" and the "fate of Anakin Solo" and such but it seemed that after DR got their contract renewed the second half of LOTF never returned to a lot of the teasing the initial few books did. So, I won't be shocked if FOTJ returns to some of LOTF's centralised concepts in some form.

    Personally though at this stage I find Force ghost Jacen more likely than Force ghost Anakin. I'm reluctant to say "I will be surprised if we don't get Jacen as a ghost" because I said that before LOTF about Anakin and it never happened, so I'm not bothering to go into FOTJ with any expectations this time. Still, I'll be disappointed if we just get another romp through the Galaxy battling random darksiders and corrupt politicians and Mandalorians, without a genuine spiritual revelation that finally links it all together in some form.
     
  6. Master_Starwalker

    Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Oh, I hope Anakin stays dead. His resurrection would completely ruin Star By Star.
     
  7. carr3107

    carr3107 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    It's an interesting theory, but I concur.

    Denning only resurrects people that we saw the body for. If there's a dead body, the person generally stays dead, Palpatine clones notwithstanding.
     
  8. Rouge77

    Rouge77 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Well, we got answers to those: Vergere was a Sith and Anakin couldn't be brought back. Yes, as answers go, the answer to the latter (I don't remember that promise myself, though) was a downer and such thing was not worth advertising, because as much as it wasn't untrue it was still hugely misleading. But DR excels in greating false expectations...

    I think there is little chance for Jacen to appear as a Force Ghost. The people involved seemed to be mightily chuffed with Invincible's ending, which left Jacen's fate unresolved, and I expect them to cherish that ambiguity, which Jacen appearing as a Force Ghost would destroy. So that we will never learn what was Jacen's final fate.

    Well, that won't be the only thing in the series: There will also be a subplot about Jaina and her very own Imperial tyrant, which will end in their marriage and the formation of IKs. Plus other cases of bridge building towards Legacy. But I expect that to be it, basically.
     
  9. Rouge77

    Rouge77 Jedi Knight star 5

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    His death ruined the novel for me. I understand that many people feel otherwise, but having Anakin resurrected would make it possible for me to read the novel again and actually enjoy it.
     
  10. Zorrixor

    Zorrixor Chosen One star 6

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    Talking of Force ghosts and resurrections... it'd be nice for a definitive "Mute Mara" explanation too. I was kind of grumpy that they never really explained that. I've tried to justify it in my own mind as some sort of: "The Force doesn't interfere except to nudge in the right direction" explanation.

    However, while it's sort of possible to square it up with Obi-Wan's ghost (since he never did tell Luke exactly what to do or what would happen, only what he needed to know), it'd be nice to have it officially clarified though, as it still doesn't completely sit right with me, and is harder to equate with the rather direct interactions of Luke's ghost in Legacy.

    I suppose maybe since Cade couldn't see Kol when he was feeling dark maybe the answer is Ben was still recovering from his quasi-Sith apprenticeship, so was still partially blocked from Mara but... it's still something I'd like FOTJ to explain, even if they explain it indirectly via Anakin/Jacen's ghost instead or something.
    I'm mostly suspicious of the offhand references in Millennium Falcon about the idea of "working to redeem himself" and "helping Allana" and such. From a literary perspective, it's potentially standardised clichéd foreshadowing: hint at it early on, then have it happen later. We saw Seff Hellin go crazy in the same book, and the next minute they all are.

    I've also always been curious that when they did that early interview Denning was talking about how he wasn't sure whether to do the happy ending or the unhappy ending... then the contract gets renewed and he picked the unhappy one, which I've always thought to have been connected. If DR had been dropped, they'd probably have ended the story there with the happy ending, not kept it going on and on. On that basis, I remain curious what the happy ending would have been, short of simply Jacen not being killed.
     
  11. Rouge77

    Rouge77 Jedi Knight star 5

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    When it comes to Mara, I rather expect that we might see her appear as a Force Ghost briefly. It's just a feeling, but connected to a theory of mine:

    Luke appears to meet the Aing-tii monks according to one blurb, so I assume that the possibility arises that Luke (and probably Ben too) could learn flow-walking and be able to go back in time and see good moments with Mara. But I expect that Luke would turn down such an offer. It would be a case of unhealthy attachment etc, and would show his (and Ben's) superiority over Jacen, who couldn't let go of the past (and Anakin), unlike the Skywalkers, to whom memories (and occasional visit from Force Ghost Mara) would be enough.
     
  12. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    why are you so sure he picked the unhappy one? only because fans disliked it?
    actually I thought I read somewhere after Invincible that he said he picked the happy ending (might have been joking though!)...

    the unhappy ending would more likely have been Jacen surviving as Dark Lord for the next series. fans happy, but inuniverse unhappy ending. ^^
     
  13. KnightDawg

    KnightDawg Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Death is a part of reality (even in fantasy worlds such as SW). Eventually you have to let go and accept what happened. Anakin Solo is not coming back with the exception of a Force Spirit and/or stories written during the timeline when he was still alive.

    Plus, it's Ben Skywalker's time now.

    [face_peace]
     
  14. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    but Ben is... Ben is... NOT GOOD ENOUGH (yet)
    I hope Ben stays unimportant and dies of old age having done nothing really except procreating. Actually I hope the Skywalkers will not do something important until Kol Skywalkers time.
     
  15. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    If Anakin Solo returned it would be even better than when they revealed Peter Parker was the original all along. :p

    I can't imagine that they won't bring back one of the Solo boys, really.
     
  16. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    maybe they first kill off a just married pregnant Jaina at the end of FOTJ (the what the **** moment of the day then... since she had no children yet) and the next series sees the glorious return of all THREE SOLOKIDS at once...

    clone-Anakin (Clone'akin)
    Jacen Solo as Jedi Spirit
    Jaina Solo in corporal very alive form, with twins

    Tahiri helps them, finishing her tragic journey with a reunion with Anakin and the return to the Jedi.

    and Ben is just watching in disbelief and tries to date a girl

    Sey Edit: Gotta star the word out.
     
  17. Vrook_Lamar

    Vrook_Lamar Jedi Padawan star 4

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    As long as Han Solo doesn't sell his soul to Mephisto to bring Chewbacca back to life and rewrite history so that he never had kids.
     
  18. KnightDawg

    KnightDawg Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Ben Reilly will always be the true Spider-Man to me. *minus the bleached hair* :p
     
  19. KnightDawg

    KnightDawg Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Ahhhh.....don't hate on Ben. [face_shame_on_you] His father was rather annoying until RotJ. Ben is much younger than Luke was in ANH and his daddy wasn't doing anything until he blew up the 1st Deathstar. Ben is way ahead of Luke at his age.

    Anakin Solo is dead........[face_skull]
     
  20. Master_Starwalker

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    Right, but his death is the crux of the novel. It's like saying RotS would be better if Padme came back in Empire.
     
  21. Doc_Jedi

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    There's no need to bring back a long dead character. This is Star Wars, not some superhero comic.
     
  22. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    Nooooooooooooooooooo... he lives... he lives... and his return is imminent! :cool:

    and Ben is cool, I agree. but I rather prefer Luke returning to hero status. Luke got too distracted, and returned to awesomeness in late LOTF finally. focusing the future on Ben will once again put Luke in the shadows. they have 2 options: pass the torch to the younger generation or keep the good old Big Three as main heroes and have the young cast be support until they die of old age.

    I prefered the passing of the torch (NJO was intended to be that... Dark Times reversed it... LOTF destroyed all hope... and hopefully FOTJ sounds like it will have young gen and old generation both at their best, with Luke apart with ben and the rest at work as always)

    So since they ruined the passing of the torch, they went with the Long live the Big Three option. And if Ben is to turn hero soon, this will not work with the Big Three around. there is of course space for multiple heroes, and FOTJ looks like it might intend to have a story for everybody with their own heroics that do not disturb that of others, but how can Ben be awesome so long Luke will come to the rescue to save his son if anything goes wrong?

    so in my eyes, Ben is cool but has no chance to be the hero until Luke is either too old or passed away.

    so I am still voting for the next gen to take over... with not much hope of it happening. they took over politically (Jagged & Tenel Ka) but the Jedi Council, or the rest did not change. Jaina still is a teenager at heart.. the Horn kids or Antilles kids are written great but not yet ready to take over, etc.

    so, with Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor in mind... I say GO EMPEROR SKYWALKER [face_dancing] or GO next Gen... but I do not buy Ben as hero. his heroism cost us a good future for the solokids. his rise as a hero would mean that the heroes we already had will be in the shadows or not have the spotlight for long.


     
  23. Kidan

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    I've said it in the past, on a number of occasions... but to complete his Hero's Journey, Anakin Solo MUST return.



     
  24. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    well... I would not mind of some enemy of Vader cloning Padmé and presenting her to him to emotionally ruin him... weakened he'd be useless to Palpatine and loose either his life and Padmé again, since weak Sith are killed, or he'd have to stay strong... and that means he'd have to kill Padmé... again, this time knowing that he has to kill her. no accidents. and that sad tragedy... will once again seal Vaders fate... and destroy the last hope some rebels or enemies of Vader had... sealing his darkness... killing Anakin within him and driving the last doubts and remnants of his old self away... so that Lord Vader can truly rise. (all post-ROTS stuff until know showed Vader with Anakin strongly still present within him... doubting, weak, etc.)

    edit: that'd also work better with TESB where he has nearly no second thoughts killing his son he just discovered, Luke SKYWALKER. he does think of Padmé but never ever even stops or doubts what he has to do. maybe because of what I proposed?
     
  25. Master_Starwalker

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    Only if one assumes he gets to complete his journey. Part of why his death still resonates is because of what could have been.

    Edit:

    Right, but it would essentially be a retread of RotS. He already made those decisions.
     
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