Saga Are the jedi wizards?

Yeah, yeah, I know they are not wizards, but they remember me so! The wizards use magic, and jedis use force, which I always looked as some kind of magic...

Obi wan, in ep4, remind me Gandalf from The Lord of the Rings. Do not you?

Do you guys think that George Lucas took that source to create the jedi?

(Oh, and sorry for my bad english, it is not my first language )

 

I think they were going for Obi Wan to be a wizard in Anh but that was changed in the next movie.

 

Star Wars is fantasy, so yes, the Jedi are the equivalent of wizards.

 

"Yer a Jedi, Harry." - Obi Wan Kenobi

"Remember, Luke, the magic will be with you always." - Gandalf

 

What is Anh?

 

But they have no staff, just a lightsaber

 

A New Hope.

 

That's why they are called Jedi and not wizards. However, the archetype is the same.

 

I don't think so.

 

Oh, can you say why not?

 

Yes, on a fundamental level they are. Some are even dressed like wizards and witches from old tales, like the original TESB Emperor.

 

And words like "wizard" (Owen: "That wizard's just a crazy old man") and "sorcerer" (Motti: "Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader") are used to describe them by the uninformed.

 

Exactly. Owen never understood the Jedi before or during the Clone Wars. He thought they were reckless and he bought into some of the anti-Jedi sentiment in the galaxy without understanding who or what they were. In some ways, he thought the Jedi brought the downfall of their order upon themselves, and he didn't want Luke to go down that path. I'm not sure if Owen and Beru knew that Anakin became Vader, though I would assume they were aware of it, considering Beru's tone and how overprotective Owen was. Motti himself just didn't understand the difference between Jedi and Sith. He was aware they could do certain things, but he viewed technology as superior to the powers of the Jedi, much like Grand Admiral Zaarin and I suppose (in a way) Grand Moff Trachta did. (Vader using the Force to choke him terrified him, but I don't think he doubted that the Death Star could be used to overthrow Palpatine if he could have talked Tarkin into it. However, Vader's power certainly put sufficient fear into him to respect Vader more and to be more cautious.) Tarkin himself worked with the Jedi during the Clone Wars and he respected their power, but he thought they wasted it and were not as ruthless enough. I don't think Tarkin ever differentiated between the Jedi and Sith, since that philosophy was not his area of expertise. He just found the philosophy of Emperor Sidious Palpatine and Darth Vader superior to the views of the Jedi. He didn't really care if it was a Jedi or Sith in charge. He just wanted more power for himself, and while he didn't underestimate Sidious's abilities, he preferred to move cautiously as he accumulated more authority for himself. Tarkin neither understand the full extent of nor the exact nature of the Sith and Jedi. He just wasn't inclined to oppose them until he had the upper hand.

 

I guess we can consider Consular jedi's a kind of wizard.

 

Do they practice sorcery? I know that they are capable of utilizing psychic abilities like levitation, telekinesis, telepathy and stuff like that. But honest to goodness magic or sorcery?

 

Well, force is the equivalent to sorcery in star wars universe

 

Palpatine's ritual in the last episode of Clone Wars Season 6 (Sacrifice) sure looked like sorcery to me - it used a drop of Dooku's blood as the component - and allowed him to invade Yoda's mind in the hope of making him fall to the Dark Side.

 

They aren't wizards. But they are so wizard.

 

lol no

 

Why would Dooku's blood allowed Palpatine to do this? This makes no sense to me. Why would Palpatine go to such lengths to make Yoda give in to evil? It wasn't necessary. All Palpatine had to do was sit back and watch the Jedi react to his machinations. And why would the writers of "The Clone Wars" add this bit of nonsense? It's never been apparent in any of the movies. I'm very disappointed.

 

It's Sith alchemy. Palpatine may have used alchemy to make his face look younger before ROTS. The EU has plenty of Sith sorcerers, such as Exar Kun, Naga Sadow, Darth Zannah, and Darth Wyyrlok. But I wouldn't say the Jedi are wizards. They only seem like wizards to the public in general.

 

Because he knows that Yoda's gone to the capital of the old Sith Empire - the "darkest" planet in the galaxy - on a spiritual quest. The opportunity came up - so he took advantage of it.

 

I'm sorry but the whole thing feels wrong to me.

 

I always thought of them more as Monks. The Force represents a "life force" they are much more in tune with than the common person.

 

In the ANH novelization (ghost-written by Alan Dean Foster), the scene in Ben's hut where he explains the Force to Luke is slightly expanded. Ben mentions that, long ago, those with Force powers were considered sometimes considered to be wizards. And he says that was not necessarily a good thing, as it made people suspicious and afraid, since they didn't fully understand the situation.