Back from the Outer Rim sieges

When Anakin meets Padme behind a column in the Senate office building hallway, one of
the things he says to her is : "If the Chancellor hadnt been kidnapped, I dont think
they would have ever brought us back from the Outer Rim seiges". A few scenes later in
the Jedi council chambers, we see Mace, Yoda and Eeth Koth basically sitting on their
butts. Yoda later volunteers to go help the Wookies, a task which IMO, is of lesser
importance than saving the Chancellor. My question is, why drag Anakin and Obi-Wan half
way across the galaxy to save the Chancellor when Yoda, Mace and Eeth are only 70 miles
away ? The Outer Rim was still under siege as Kashyyyk is somewhere around there. And if
they suspected Dooku along with Grevious was holding Palps, Anakin and Obi-Wan would
not be the best decision to send, ie AOTC. Yoda should have been the one to go. So what
is it, Yoda, Mace or Eeth cant pilot a ship ? Or are they just plain lazy ? Or prima
donnas ?
Any thoughts ?

 

Kenobi is a general... Grevious is a general.
Its like Eisenhower vs Rommel in post D-Day Europe.
Well, not really.

 

Yoda and Mace were in charge of the ground forces. Saesee Tinn, Agen Kolar and a couple others fought in space. But they couldn't get through. Anakin and Obi-wan came back because Palpatine activated his personal beacon that he knew would be picked up by Artoo, thus bringing them back from the Outer Rim. It was all part of the plan. Palpatine caused the invasion as a means of dragging them back from the Outer Rim, where they were searching for Darth Sidious.

 

Well, if the Clone Wars animated series counts for canon (it does for me since it was Lucas' idea to have it be the LEAD-IN to ROTS)...Mace & Yoda were busy defending Courosant from droids.

That's all I got.

 

Yoda and Mace were in charge of the ground forces. Saesee Tinn, Agen Kolar and a couple others fought in space. But they couldn't get through. Anakin and Obi-wan came back because Palpatine activated his personal beacon that he knew would be picked up by Artoo, thus bringing them back from the Outer Rim. It was all part of the plan. Palpatine caused the invasion as a means of dragging them back from the Outer Rim, where they were searching for Darth Sidious.

That Palps was behind it goes without saying. Where did the other info come from ?

 

The novelization and the book Labryinth Of Evil.

 

OK, thanks.

 

Because Anakin is the best star pilot in the galaxy, and it was a space-battle being fought during the rescue. Who else could have landed the charred remains of the Invisible Hand.

I think I just ran across a literary correspondence between the Invisible Hand and Anakin Skywalker.

 

Who else could have landed the charred remains of the Invisible Hand.


Yes, but if Yoda went, he probably would have had the forethought of telling the Republic ships not to fire on the Invisible Hand while he was on it, making landing it a mute point. Fire on me, do not.

 

I don't think it was about dragging Obi and Anakin back, it was probably more about their fleet of Star Destroyers...

..I mean, if you accept the Clone Wars as canon, then the Republic fleet was ambushed, and most of their ships disabled, meanwhile Anakin and Obiwan are sitting on the outer rim with their very own fleet, so it only makes sense, that they'd bring them back

 

I love that DSinister just comes in with the 'real answer' then he reveals that it's just from a book.

Fact is, when it's not on screen, you can have it be any reason you want. Stop stealing people's imagination, Sinister. Is this forum not to include EU?

 

Ouch! , But yeah, i was always under the impression that EU does not count here. does it?

 

Is this forum not to include EU?

Unfortunately, thats about as close to canon as were going to get. The thing is, the line "If the Chancellor hadnt been kidnapped, I dont think they would have ever brought us back from the Outer Rim seiges" wasnt necessary at all for the movie. I think it was just to tie up the Clone Wars cartoon. A better line may have been "I didnt think we would ever get back" period.

 

It's approved by Lucas himself, that makes it canon. He line edited ROTS and LOE features the Outer Rim seiges, including the incident on Cato Neimodia that Obi-wan says doesn't count.

 

Stop stealing people's imagination

Imagination is a good thing. Remember the lines from ROTS ?

Anakin: Is it possible to understand this movie by itself ?

Palps: Not from a Lucas.

 

The Republic called back many fleets, not the Open Circle Armada Obi-Wan an dANakin led. Originally, the CIS warsips caught many Venerators andvictories with shields down and heavily-damaged them and Munificent heavy guns took out many heavier warships. Anyway, it was Coruscant, the capital world. They had to be sure it was defended and the Republic military might overreact to it

 

It's as "real" as the films themselves, moreso if the only answers to be had come from strictly the non-filmic sources alone.

That said, the Outer Rim Sieges covered a period of roughly five long months, during which time the Separatist strategy involved a CIS core (around Sluis Van, purportedly) with vast picket fleets strewn about. Until the Republic built up a big enough force, they couldn't puncture through the fence to the Separatist fortifications. Saleucami, Boz Pity, Mygeeto, Felucia, et al.

The Separatists drew the Republic into the sieges, on a total pretense by Darth Sidious, with Grievous then going on the offensive against the free worlds in the Inner Rim. Though, the Republic did try to defend every front their forces, Palpatine having committed roughly half of Courscant's own elite guard (200,000 clone troopers) to the campaign, to say nothing of the "Open Circle" fleet itself, supposedly tasked with safeguarding the capital world.

The Outer Rim Sieges are first set up in the novels Jedi Trial and Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, covered at length in SW: Republic and the Obsession mini-series from Dark Horse, with the final endgame occurring in Labyrinth of Evil and the Clone Wars animated series.

 

I think it's kind of interesting that in 5 months of Anakin being in the Outer Rim Padme doesn't show a sign of being knocked up until a little while after he arrives. Just an observation...

 

Funny you should mention that...someone just started up a thread on this very subject today over in SW Lit.

 

I think it's kind of interesting that in 5 months of Anakin being in the Outer Rim Padme doesn't show a sign of being knocked up until a little while after he arrives. Just an observation...

That dress shes wearing can hide at least 2 basketballs.

 

It's jsut odd that she's a little more than 5 months preggers with twins and doesn't even have the trademark bump. Either she was anorexic when they bumped the buoy or that dress of hers is the secret staging area for the Death Star as well.

 

Her public outfits at the time are designed to hide her pregnancy. So if you can't see it, that means its working. Don't believe me, ask Sinister. He'll probably manage to dig up a quote that supports it.

 

very good point; however i think u got it wrong ...
u see when the seppies attack coresucant, they penetrated the inner defense of republic, the capital no less; that was a bold move ... when that happened regardless of chancellor being captured or not they (HQ Jedi Temple) probably call whoever they could to coresucant sector of space ... in my way of thinking anakin and OB1 didnt come b/c of the chancellor but simply because of the audacity of that bold move ... a bold move is usally performed by an animal that is trapped, and an animal that is trapped strikes hard ...samething for the seppies; the general consus was that they attack Republic's nervous center (and they hit some nerves!!!) and from there they would comitted some devastating orbital bombardments... that called for reinforcement from whereever they could get ...

for me from a military point of view, the only thing that doenst make sense to me in ROTS is the situation in Kashyyyk ....

u see Kashyyyk is an entire planet... its not clear how much troops the seppies have landed on, but iam just not sure how the hell the seppies are planing to control an entire planet with handfull of sources ...
i say handfull of sources for the following reason ==> the great Master Windu in all his wisdom send Yoda and a BATTALION of clonetroopers to help the wookies ... that suggest that the seppies forces in Kashyyyk are at most a few battalions; so with a few battalions (~one regiment of the battledriods) the seppies were going to capture Kashyyyk; when u hear OB1 saying "Kashyyyk is a system we cannot to loose" we are thinking in terms of full planetary invasion, not that lousy ONE battalion of clones and commanded by one of the least expendable of the Jedi Masters to Kashyyyk ...its ridicoulus and lousy writing ... according to ROTS's script (not in the final cut) OB1 took two full clone brigades for the campaing in Utaupa ... thats more like it

 

"Her public outfits at the time are designed to hide her pregnancy. So if you can't see it, that means its working. Don't believe me, ask Sinister. He'll probably manage to dig up a quote that supports it."

Uhh...in the scene in the shadows behind the pillar the dress seems to go straight down. That's one heckuva outfit she's wearing. Any room for the Ewoks?

"When Anakin meets Padme behind a column in the Senate office building hallway, one of
the things he says to her is : "If the Chancellor hadnt been kidnapped, I dont think
they would have ever brought us back from the Outer Rim seiges". A few scenes later in
the Jedi council chambers, we see Mace, Yoda and Eeth Koth basically sitting on their
butts. Yoda later volunteers to go help the Wookies, a task which IMO, is of lesser
importance than saving the Chancellor. My question is, why drag Anakin and Obi-Wan half
way across the galaxy to save the Chancellor when Yoda, Mace and Eeth are only 70 miles
away ? The Outer Rim was still under siege as Kashyyyk is somewhere around there. And if
they suspected Dooku along with Grevious was holding Palps, Anakin and Obi-Wan would
not be the best decision to send, ie AOTC. Yoda should have been the one to go. So what
is it, Yoda, Mace or Eeth cant pilot a ship ? Or are they just plain lazy ? Or prima
donnas ?"

Ever thought that maybe they themselves were busy? Mace tried to stop them and was unsuccessful. Plus, they didn't know where the Invisible Hand was to go next- they had to move quickly. Oh, why look- there goes Ani and Obi in their hyperspace-compatible starships. Huh.

 

that called for reinforcement from whereever they could get ...

Yes, but my point was why drag Anakin and Obi-Wan half way across the galaxy to save the Chancellor when Yoda, Mace and Eeth are only 70 miles away ?

Yeah, we dont really know all the details of the population density of Kashyyyk. It could be that the small village we saw in the film was the capital of the whole darn planet.