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Battle of Geonosis Death Count?

Discussion in 'Archive: Attack of the Clones' started by jedi-chaz-windu, Jan 16, 2005.

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  1. jedi-chaz-windu

    jedi-chaz-windu Jedi Youngling star 1

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    is there an offical death count regarding the battle of geonosis for both Republic and CIS losses? (including vehicles, artillary ect). also the jedi death count in the arena and the following battle.

    thanks!

    EDIT: is there an official statistic i mean...
     
  2. lightsaber_wielder

    lightsaber_wielder Jedi Padawan star 4

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    There were over 180 Jedi killed in the arena, but very few died in the battle after.
     
  3. jedi-chaz-windu

    jedi-chaz-windu Jedi Youngling star 1

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    is there an official statistic?
     
  4. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    185 or so.


     
  5. Count_Solidus

    Count_Solidus Jedi Padawan star 4

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  6. jedi_blackbelt

    jedi_blackbelt Jedi Youngling

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    the real question is "Who Cares?" the war is being fought between clones and droids, so political powers dont really care about the statistics of who lives and who dies, if C3PO can sence Fear, like when he was levitated on Endor, then wouldnt the droids have some sort of "soul" they are after all sentient, and what about the clones, just because there clones doesnt mean they dont have feelings. Im sure that Veggies have feelings too, does that make Vegitarians right? Just because a cow sheds blood? Am i wrong, arent both living things, so whats the difference between one life and the other, both have some form of intelligence, enough to stay alive and keep up with their functions, then you gotta realize, that the people who are behind this war, The CIS, and the Republic, they dont care, its just another lamb to the slaughter. As long as something has a purpose, expect it to be exploited.
     
  7. Count_Solidus

    Count_Solidus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I disagree. While, yes, the CIS can continue to churn out factory, 'made-to-own' droids, each clones that is bred, trained, and then suited is an investment, a rather hefty investment. If they didn't care how many survived, they wouldn't them in armor. And, true, they have rights. The Jedi commanders learn that each clone is a individual, not some mindless automaton whose life is less important than their own.
     
  8. jedi_blackbelt

    jedi_blackbelt Jedi Youngling

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    thats not what im saying Count Solidus, the jedi realize this, but do the senators? does the Emperor himself care? Ofcourse not. Jedi have no political power, and i like how Obi describes politics as "not to be trusted" Both sides were churning out troops, with the republic, it wasnt like they make 1 batch in ten years, then another batch and wait another ten years, they made 1 batch in 1 year, and another batch the 2nd year, so they can churn out alot of troops that way.
     
  9. Count_Solidus

    Count_Solidus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Right. I think the same senators who align themselves with the Jedi feel strongly that their lives should not be thrown away, as do those who eventually follow the Emperor, it's just their looking at it from a financial and fiscal aspect.

    Help me out, please...

    http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=18077586
     
  10. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Hell, I don't see why they couldn't start a new batch every month, week, or even day.
     
  11. Count_Solidus

    Count_Solidus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The physical ability to do so, for starters.

    http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=18077586
     
  12. jedi_blackbelt

    jedi_blackbelt Jedi Youngling

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    Yeah, they could do that, i was just saying it to put the idea out there, because it does show the clones in different stages, Palps really had em by the balls.
     
  13. Kwenn

    Kwenn Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Few numbers here:

    Republic Commando: Hard Contact features an early scene where clone troops evacuate Geonosis following the battle. 12,000 seriously injured, 8,000 walking wounded, and 72,000 combat-fit troops. Inside the Worlds of Ep2 states 192,000 clones were deployed in the battle. If my calculations are correct, that means around 100,000 clone troopers were killed or are MIA.

    Inside the Worlds also gives these stats:
    - 286 Techno Union transports on Geonosis (169 escape)
    - 41 Commerce Guild transports (36 escape)
    - 60 Trade Federation Core Ships (46 escape)
     
  14. Count_Solidus

    Count_Solidus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    ^^^ You beat me to the stats. lol ^^^
     
  15. jedi-chaz-windu

    jedi-chaz-windu Jedi Youngling star 1

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    so what are the statistics of the seperatists death count? is there a statistic?
     
  16. Kwenn

    Kwenn Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    No idea, though I haven't finished Hard Contact yet. It might mention something.

    According to Inside the Worlds, the Separatists deployed 1 million battle droids on Geonosis. Many of these escaped, I assume, inside Core Ships and other transports.
     
  17. Ker-Soth

    Ker-Soth Jedi Youngling star 3

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    190,000 clones VS. 1,000,000 droids and the CIS were overwhelmed? Dooku must be a master liar to convince the rest, or the rest very dumb.
     
  18. jedi-chaz-windu

    jedi-chaz-windu Jedi Youngling star 1

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    and plus you have to take into account that the pepublic used one type of clone trooper in the battle, were as the seperatists had normal battle droids, super battle droids and droidekas. i think a droideka would match about 3 clone troopers in battle efficiancy. The CIS were alot better equiped than the republic forces...i cant understand how they lost that battle...

    EDIT: also i know someone will point out the jedi participating in the battle. but there are only 15-20 jedi fighting there. i doubt there were enough to change the outcome of the battle...
     
  19. Qu_Klaani

    Qu_Klaani Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "i cant understand how they lost that battle..."

    Not having even the faintest idea it could possibly happen may have played a small part in that, also the clones destroyed all seperatist aircraft before they got airborne, so the gunships had a free reign to trash the droid army.
     
  20. Kwenn

    Kwenn Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Plus the droid army was basically running for its life. The leaders certainly weren't hanging around. "We must get our starships back into space". They try to save as many droids as they can. Large numbers of droids are onboard Core Ships and transports shot down by Republic forces.

    Plus the droids have awkward spider walkers while the Republic gets kick-ass gunships and AT-TEs.

    Oh, and something I just found out (Labyrinth of Evil/ possible RotS spoilers)
    General Grievous was on Geonosis, according to the book, though he was in the catacombs, as opposed to on the battlefield. Else the droids may have fared slightly better....
     
  21. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Just a thought, Kwen:

    I'm in the Army; if we ever had mass casualties like that, dead don't go unmentioned. In short, there's 100,000 clones who weren't hurt in any way.
     
  22. lorn_zahl

    lorn_zahl Jedi Master star 4

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    185 Jedi die in the arena? Didn't look like that many to me, can we get an official statement from an authentic website?

    I'm sorry if I sound presumptious because I'm not discounting it, just rather surprised because thats not the impression I got of the battle.



     
  23. clone-of-jedi-killer

    clone-of-jedi-killer Jedi Youngling star 1

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    if you own the air, you own the battle.
    plus the clone troops were ready on the line waiting for a fight the droids i think were packed away
     
  24. Chaotic_Serenity

    Chaotic_Serenity Jedi Padawan star 4

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    185 Jedi die in the arena? Didn't look like that many to me, can we get an official statement from an authentic website?

    I do believe it's stated that around 200 Jedi were taken, and in the AOTC novel, it mentions straight that less than twenty of those survived.
     
  25. Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa

    Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Quite a few of the Jedi we're wiped out after the riot in the arena had already started. It was a great loss to the Republic.
     
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