"Begun, the Clone War has" - but does Yoda realize HE is to blame??

First, I hope nobody's posted something like this; if anyone has, please lock the thread.

I started thinking about Yoda's line in ESB --
LUKE: And sacrifice Han and Leia?
YODA: If you honor what they fight for, yes.

Then I realized that in AOTC, Yoda basically starts the Clone Wars by taking the Clone Army to Geonosis so that they can rescue one senator and a dozen or so Jedis.

At what point does Yoda finally realize that by rescuing his friends and colleagues, he has unleashed a terrible conflict that will destroy the Republic and allow a Sith lord to declare himself Emperor?

Like Yoda himself recognizes in ESB,
"Wars not make one great"...

Any thoughts?

 

I think Yoda realized the Clonetroopers could help stop the battle. And I think he sensed a "great disturbance in the force" when the battle begins because there are so many jedi there and so many die. I don't think Yoda is to blame. Had he not taken the Clones there, the Droids would win. The war would happen anyway.

 

Yes, but what Yoda took to Geonosis was more than a search-and-rescue party, it was a formidable force designed to destroy as much of the Separatist army as possible.

I mean at the beginning of AOTC Mace goes, "We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers" but at the end Yoda himself takes command of the Clone Army.

All I'm saying is that in the long run, Yoda will probably realize that he too fell for Palpatine's machinations...

 

I think everyone will feel responsible after they realize Palpatine is behind it. Mace, Yoda, Obi-Wan. Everyone. They'll feel responsible because they fell into Palpatine's trap like everyone else did.

 

It's not Yoda's fault. If Dooku died, the war who have still gone on, despite what Obi-Wan told Anakin.

Because the separist movement is already in full gear and no one knows that Dooku is really serving another.

 

cause Plapatine is the man.

 

I don't mean to say that the Clone War wouldn't have started sooner or later without Yoda's intervention... but the way it turned out, it was Yoda's decision to take the Clone Army to Geonosis that formally started the war.

 

Sorry, but I don't agree with you, Princess_Tina.

I don't agree with you because Palpatine "Created a GRAND ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC"

Therefore, Yoda got the clones because no other Jedi could because they were all at Geonosis.(Also, there were more than some dozen Jedi)

Yoda had a job to do not just because they had to save Padme, Obi, and Ani. The Arena was just the place to attack the Separatists.

 

Well exactly -- the Army of the Republic was officially under the command of Palpatine, not the Jedi.

What Yoda did was basically command thousands of clones to help a few Jedi (yes, because the survivors at the end of the arena battle are very few!) and to destroy some of the Separatist army.

 

It does'nt really matter that Yoda did that. No one knows exactly who the clones were gonna be for. The Kamonions may think that they were for the Republic but the were probably going to be used for the Seperatists. At least thats what I think. Dooku wonders how the Jedi can amass an army so quickly. I guess it did'nt strike him that the Republic stole the Seperatists army. So instead of the Seperatists having an army of droids and clones they just have droids while the republic has clones. But it does'nt make a difference because no matter which side wins the war its Sidious and Dooku who will be the real winners. Well Sidious really, Dooku is gonna wind up dead.

 

Good point Princess_Tina! Did you notice Yoda wasn't willing to sacrifice his friends for the greater good? He let Dooku get away so he could rescue Anakin and Obi-Wan. I think much of Yoda's and Obi-Wan's wisdom from the classic trilogy was learned the hard way in the prequel trilogy.

 

I disagree, I think Palpatine got the Kaminoans to build the army so that we would in time be able to take posession of the Clone Army... having a loyal and efficient military at your side goes a long way when you want to declare yourself Emperor.

At the end of the conflict, Palpatine will be Emperor and will have a large army to command, the better to crush the Rebellion with (or so he thinks).

Yoda just helped him in his plan by leading the first confrontation of the Clone War... of course he only meant to help the Jedi and Padme, but it all worked to Palpatine's advantage.

 

I tend to believe that this incident on Geonosis taught Yoda something about fate and was behind his statement in TESB.

"If you honor what they fight for, yes."

 

Everyone is responsible. All of the "omnipotent" Jedi Council couldn't see if their mother had the flu back home if they tried.

 

Well said, _-_-_-_-_-_ ! (Did I spell that correctly?)

 

Well one point was brought up on the DVD text commentary. It said after saving Obi-Wan and Anakin, and letting Dooku get away and let the wars begin, he changes his idea of what is worth doing. It says he learns why he should learn to sacrifice others for a greater good.

 

That's exactly what I was driving at, Fanboy...

 

PrincessTina, Yoda was there at Palpatine's office when they recieved Obi-Wan's transmission explaining the Seperatists preperations for war. It wasn't UNTIL the senate gave Palpatine emergency powers authorizing the army did the Jedi take action. Mace took 200 Jedi to rescue Obi-Wan and stop Dooku. Yoda took receipt of the clone army and brought it to Geonosis in case things went sour. What Yoda did was launch a preemptive strike, giving the Republic the upper hand in that battle with the element of surprise. But it all served the Sith's interest anyway. They wanted this war, they organized it and THEY are responsible.

 

Yes, of course... I understand that the Sith wanted the war and they're responsible... what I meant is that Yoda played right into their plan... without realizing what it meant until it was too late....

The shroud of the dark side has fallen... begun, the Clone War has...

I think by this point he realizes that the Clone War will ultimately help the dark side...

 

Everyone from Binks to Yoda fell into Palpatine's plans. And yes, Yoda does realize he was duped like everyone else, but not until its too late.

 

Man, Palpatine bamboozled 'em all... amazing...

 

Yoda may not have seen the fall of the Republic by the hands of the Sith, but Palpatine never saw the final redemption of Anakin Skywalker. So neither are omnipotent, but Yoda never presumed that he was.

 

Yoda's growing wiser throughout the movies. And we now see that he is also learning from his mistakes.

 

So in the next film - Is Dooku done away with and replaced with Vader because he is stronger and will be a better aid to the Emporer?

Does the same thing happen in JEDI when the Emporer wants to have Luke destroy Vader to have a newer, stronger apprentice?

Do masters (Like the Emporer) live long periods of time? (Like Yoda?)
Is this why he replaces his apprentices?

 

Goldblum, I think any speculation about what happens in the next one belongs in the Episode III forum...