I didn't find a thread around the topic but I think its worth making one and collecting scenes, pics and info about the deleted scenes covering the birth of the rebellion. As great as Ep III is (and I LOVE that movie) I think it is a missed oppurtunity that those scenes have been cut. They would have given Padme and Bail more screentime, making the dilemma of Padme more obvious, giving her more to do in the movie and would have been a great set up for Ep IV. The scenes with Padme and Anakin discussing politics and the moment of the decleration of the Empire would have been more fleshed out if we would have seen the rebellion scenes in the movie. Her differences with Anakin at the end would have been more fleshed out too . Also Bails motivations would have been clearer. Great additions would have been Mon Mothma who would have made another circle complete with her appearence in Ep VI and III. At last with The Clone Wars covering lots of the beginning of the connections of the main players of the delegation of the 2000 it would have been satisfying seeing the scenes in Ep III after watching through TCW. Furthermore Rebels would continue that story of Rebellion forming and Rogue One would have made it full circle with Bail and Mon appearing again, played by the same actors as in the Delegation of the 2000 Scenes. Here are the scenes as I could find them on YT. They are featured on the Ep III DvD prominently: The last Vid has all the scenes plus the discussion of Anakin and Padme about politics in Ep III minus Palpatine setting Anakin up against Padme after they left his office. I think its set up in the wrong order as the first cut scene would have come before the couples discussion. I can see why the scene has been included though deleting the rebellion stuff: Anakin feeling isolated and missunderstood from the Jedi AND Padme, feeling that only Palpatine is at his side. Still it would have been even deeper and more meaningfull if we had scene the politians before, giving Padmes words more depth. BTW: the last Scene where they present the delegation to Palpatine...Padmes and Anakins exchange is so great! Would be cool if you would add pics and other stuff from those scenes and maybe even TCW, Rebels and RO to have the full picture of the Rebellion Storyline.
The subplot was cut to serve the story of the movie. But it was important and Lucas cut it with "deep regret" as he ended up explaining: The Rebel Alliance has two concepts tied to it. The organization/leadership itself, that starts with the disgruntled senators like Bail, Padmé and Mon Mothma, and the pocket of small militias and groups across the galaxy that the organization agglomerated along the way. The former was explored in these deleted scenes of ROTS, the latter was explored in TCW.
I think both explored in TCW as we can see more and more of Bail and Mon disagreeing with Palpatine in some episodes. Padme is mostly on his side due, shifting in the scenes or Ep III. I totally understand why he did cut it but I'd argue that from a story POV you could say that they serve Anakins story to a certain dregree and of course the overall story to much greater extend. BTW: I think Natalie and her colleges perform great in those scenes. You can see how torn Padme is between Loyality to the Republic and Loyality to Palpatine (and Anakin for that matter). When she is talking about knowing a Jedi she can trust in the second deleted scene its nice to know that in the novel she realizes she's talking about Kenobi, not Anakin.
In my opinion that doesn't make much sense since the clear intent is that she's referring to Anakin. But then again, it's the novel. A lot of stuff is made up there.
I wouldnt say that it doesnt make that much sense. She clearly feels like he's not his own after returning to Coruscant and the dream about the child. Remember how she testet him on the balcony after the first meet up with the delegation members and he didnt play along as she hoped. Obi-Wan on the other was right with her before leaving Corsucant (as shown through her wearing the same dress as in the second delegation scene) and she may could get the impression that they share the same opinion on political matters. Its open in the movie of course who she is reffering too. But I dont think that she trusts Anakin on politcal matters. And Stover firmly said that everything (extending movie stuff) in the book is from Lucas.
She does trust Anakin. And it's throughout the movie that her trust in him begins to fade. But in that storyline, and that scene in particular, she's referring to Anakin. The whole point is that she doesn't want to plot behind his back. She wants to be open with him. After that, she even begs him to speak with Palpatine for her sake. She wouldn't ask that if she didn't trust him. As for the stuff from the book coming from Lucas, that's not true at all. Stover said that Lucas made edits to the dialogue, and from that he inferred that Lucas went through it line by line. Even if he did (we don't know and he doesn't either since he never even met with Lucas when he was writing the book), that doesn't mean the extra stuff there comes from him. EDIT: Turns out I was right. Lucas does confirm that she's referring to Anakin in the deleted scene intro:
I see your point. But isnt she begging to Anakin BEFORE that scene? She is told not tell anybody in the second deleted scene wearing that green dress (or robe). She is begging Anakin to talk to Palps wearing the dress of the first deleted Scene. I actually did read a different statement somewhere where Stover explained Lucas involment. Wookieepedia quotes Stovers Statement:
Oh, you're right. My bad, I was mixing the two up. But my point stands. She trusts him and doesn't want to keep secrets from him. That's the whole basis for her appeal. That's the statement, yes. Which actually comes from this very forum: https://boards.theforce.net/threads...scussion-thread.5816889/page-68#post-25369475 He saw extensive edits (exclusively replacements and excisions) and assumes that Lucas gave a line by line approval on the whole thing.
Point taken . I just found it a nice touch that in the novel she thinks about Obi-Wan because she knows him so long and well. And with TCW their relationship is fleshed out very much too
Sure. Just pointing out that it wasn't the original intent by Lucas. You're entitled to your preference, I don't question that.
Ok. Here we go with all the scenes traken from the script and some scenes working together with them to get the full picture where to place the scenes and how they would have work withhin the movie (Source: https://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-Revenge-of-the-Sith.html): The first Delegation of 2000 Scene comes right after the scene obove. The Scene is followed by Anakin is accepted into the Jedi Council. The next important scene is the exchange between Anakin and Padme on her balcony. You can see her wearing the same dress as in the deleted scene. It's set after Yoda leaving for Kashyyyk Following is the Opera/Darth Plagueis the Wise Scene. One important scene featuring Obi-Wan and Pamde before he leaves for Utapau is set right after the Council meeting discussing Utapau and the start of the Battle of Kashyyyk. Notice how she wears the green robe-like dress. Apparently the script is missing the part where Kenobi talks into his comlink. Its followed by the second Delegation of 2000 Scene where she wears the same dress as in the scene with Obi-Wan. Right after that comes the scene where Anakin sees Obi-Wan off to Coruscant and Obi-Wan bantering with Cody on the Venator Cruiser. Following that scene is another deleted scene playing into the Delegation of 2000 Scene where Palpatine starts to places mistrust into Anakin about Padme and Obi-Wan The movie now has the Scene where Anakin visits Padme in her Appartement and feels LOST. Notice how Padme wears an almost all black dress though she met with Obi-Wan and the Delegation earlier that day wearing the green robe. Its followed by Obi-Wan arriving on Utapau and runs until Kenobi starts chasing Grievous Now comes the last Delegation of 2000 Scene wear Padme wears the dress she is featured with on the Episode III theatical Poster. Notice how Palpatine continues to place mistrust into Anakin considering Padmes faithfullness. Its followed by the War Room Scene where Cody makes contact with the Jedi informing them about Kenobi making contact with Grievous and Mace sending Anakin off to Palpatine to inform him and report on his reactions. Its of course followed by Palpatine reavling himself to Anakin, Kenobi killing Grievous.... ...and Anakin informing Mace Windu about Palpatine beeing a Sith Lord I want to mention one more Scene which comes right after that: The Rumination Scene where Anakin sits in the Jedi Council and Padme is in her Apartment. In the movie its only Palpatines voice we hear. Notice how she wears the same Green dress as with her meeting with Obi-Wan and the Delegation of 2000 earlier that day. Its followed by Anakin getting into his speeder to Palpatines office to save him from the Jedi who confront him in his office. Closing this post will be the last scene of Padme concerning politics. The decleration of the empire and Padmes famous lines. Before the Scene Yoda and Obi-Wan fight their way into the Jedi temple. It's intercut by Obi-Wan and Yoda inside the Temple and Anakin/Vader killing the Seps. Notice extended lines considering the Delegation of 2000 plot.
Yes, I agree. Although the runtime was pretty long as it was, it would have given Padme something of an arc besides Anakin’s doormat. On the other hand, if she was so involved in the movement, then one would think that she has more reason to remain alive, never mind her children. @Kyle Katarn I remember the scene from the novel, and I find it all the more tragic that Padme seemed to know she was going to die regardless of what else happened. This is supported by her expanded scene in the Senate with Bail Organa, where Palpatine declares Empire Day. When she encourages Bail to keep his head down while planning the Rebellion for the next twenty years, and Bail asks what she’s going to do, Padme replies, “Don’t worry about me. I’m not sure I’ll live that long.” That could be interpreted as her being reluctant to side against Anakin in the political world, but it even more heavily implies that she takes his dream about her death more seriously than she lets him know.
Yes I can see what you mean! The part about her dieing. For me it only plays even more into her body failing her because of all what happend: She lost the Republic she fought for her whole life. Lost her husband who betrayed her and so on. I think it would only be one more foundation of her tragic death.
I think the pre-Rebellion scene's could have been trimmed down to two scenes. 1) Senators getting together to discuss the forming of a delegation 2) Senators speaking to Palpatine in his office while Anakin stands behind him. I don't think you need more than that and it would have given Padme something to do AND shown that our three leads are headed in three separate directions. Obi-Wan sides with the Jedi, Padme sides with the delegation, and Anakin sides with Palpatine.
I like all these scenes and agree they could've combined them or at least two of them if time was an issue. But not to include them does leave you wondering where everyone's head is at during a crucial time for the galaxy. I like seeing the seeds of the Rebellion knowing what it will turn into. I find it hard to see that it takes 15-20 more years to develop all the different Rebellion cells to create the Alliance. I figured it would've formed sooner, at least some of the main cells. I'm showing ROTS to my son this summer and I'm going to include these deleted scenes with the movie.
I do wish Padme and Bail had had been able to do more in Sith but it also seems a bad idea, trying to bite off too much to have that there was a lot of dissent/discontent all the way from the beginning of the Empire and yet there wasn't outright (armed) rebellion for then the next 19 years and next film, prefer that there initially was widespread support for going Empire, just a few with misgivings and a very few outright, but privately, rejecting and disgusted with what had happened, then how more went against is left to imagination.
