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  1. Agonizer_181

    Agonizer_181 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Is it worth to read ? Cause I kinda skipped it. I'm reading about Vong now and kinda miss republic/empire. So ?
     
  2. Shyviolet

    Shyviolet Jedi Youngling star 1

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    It's an awful series....you haven't missed anything really. besides, (and this is if memory serves me correctly) it wasn't about the NR vs. the Empire, it was the NR vs. something else....the yevetha, I think they were called? I don't have the books on hand at the moment.
     
  3. tanjokabri

    tanjokabri Jedi Master star 4

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    black fleet crisis is about the new republic against an alien race from the deep core called the yevetha...

    before the storm: alright
    shield of lies: AWFUL
    tyrant's test: quite good

    not the best trilogy...it has its moments, but is let down by incredibly boring dead-end subplots...the characterisation is off as well...
     
  4. Mastadge

    Mastadge Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    There were three main plots.

    It's generally agreed that the Luke plot was absolutely awful.

    The Lando plot is about 50/50 -- some people think it's stupid, some like the sort of Clarkeian/Lando adventures feeling.

    The New Republic plot is outstanding, some of the best military fiction we've yet seen in Star Wars, and some of the coolest space battles, by an author who was actually willing to use his brain in that capacity.

    Overall, worth reading for the NR segments, and I think this guy should get an NJO novel.
     
  5. imperialcmnd

    imperialcmnd Jedi Youngling

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    they weren't that good don't bother with them. Keep with the NJO it kicks a**
     
  6. darthparth

    darthparth Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I agree with Mastadge 100%

    The Luke storyline sucked horribly. I will only read it again if I am incredibly bored or someone pays me.

    The Lando Story was pretty good, I liked it anyway, it gave good insight on a rather mysterious, underdeveloped character.

    The NR line was amazing. The characters and situations as well as the space battles rocked. The character of General Etahn A'baht alone makes reading this series worthwhile
     
  7. Groovy_Ssi-Ruuvi

    Groovy_Ssi-Ruuvi Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The Black Fleet Crisis trilogy was the only StarWars book(s) that I got and never finished reading. I gave up halfway through book two and never even picked up book three.
     
  8. Zyra

    Zyra Jedi Master star 1

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    Everybody knocks this one, but I liked it. I agree book 2 was a little weird, but if you skip or just skim through parts 1&2 in there, you can get through it. What do I know though, I also love New Rebellion, which apparently everyone also hates. Don't worry, I still hate Crystal Star.
     
  9. Mos_Eisleian_Radio

    Mos_Eisleian_Radio Jedi Master star 4

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    The Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy is my second favorite trilogy of original Star Wars novels. I like how it showed how the citizens of the New Republic had gotten complacent to the point that it didn't want to get involved in agressors outside its borders. It was great to see Leia, Ackbar, and the rest getting involved even though it may not be popular, but it was right. One could really read some parallels to the U.S. as the Revolutionary War became a thing of the past.

    Phil
     
  10. darthjarjarbinks

    darthjarjarbinks Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think I'll have to jump on the bandwagon and agree with his breakup of the books and whats good and whats not. However I think that nothing was ABSOLUTELY 'awful'.

    The Luke thing was pretty weak and disjointed and pointless, i guess.

    The Teljkon Vagabong thing is underrated I think. I liked it a lot.

    And, like Mastadge said, the military fiction aspect of the novel WAS excellent.

    The first time I read it I thought all three elements of the series were TERRIBLE.

    I reread it about 2 years later (a few months ago) and was PLEASANTLY surprised. It had a lot more depth and intrigue a d suspense than I recalled.


    DEFINATELY worth a read.
     
  11. Mastadge

    Mastadge Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    By the way, I personally really enjoyed Lando's segments. My 50/50 comment was about my observations of reactions in general.
     
  12. Nitro29

    Nitro29 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    The thing with this trilogy was it gave insight to the political sides of things rather than the actual space battles that are a Star Wars trademark. It was an idea with a merit, but it bored most readers that were used to the action packed battle scenes.
     
  13. AdmiralZaarin

    AdmiralZaarin Jedi Knight star 5

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    THE BFC RULES!
    Read it! Read it!
    I do agree, the Luke plot sucked, but the rest was so good it made up for it.
     
  14. KansasNavy

    KansasNavy Jedi Master star 4

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    The Yevetha were cool baddies. I like how their experience with the Empire along with their naturally bloody instincts made them a narrow minded and dangerous race. The Luke part would've been good if Lucas would've allowed him to write it the way he thought of it. But GL had something else planned: the prequels; so the plot had to be patched up.

    It was nice to see familiar and new faces put together in a way we haven't seen yet. I liked the Ackbar/Plat Mallar parts of the book 2.
     
  15. The_Eighth_Cortex

    The_Eighth_Cortex Jedi Youngling star 2

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    the first sw books i ever read actually.

    i didn't mind the Lando sub plot, especially the way it explored real core Sci-Fi themes in a star wars setting. the whole nature of sentience and droid awareness was great.

    and the political tension and atmosphere was also great.

    but i agree, in hindsight the LUke thread was poor. didn't mean anything nor contribute anything to the EU.
     
  16. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Before the Storm was one of the best SW novels I've ever read...the political elements had me blazing through that book. The second book wasn't quite as good, but I did like the Lando part, it reminded me of Rendezvous with Rama. The third book was only so-so, mainly the fault of the weak Luke subplot...I think it would eb a good diea to allow the author to create a revised "special edition" of this trilogy, to at least give Luke some glimpse or revelation about his mother or something to make the subplot stronger and have a better payoff. Course, too much "future history" has already been written beyond it that it's unlikely that would occur since Luke doesn't have that knowledge in those later books and NJO.
     
  17. Wedge 88

    Wedge 88 Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    BFC is overlooked. It actually had some nice ties with a lot of other Star Wars stories. Something some other authors arn't good at (Zahn anyone?). It mentions that young girl from the Ewok made for TV movies. She is now a journalist. And it added a lot of military stuff that lots of fans wanted. I enjoyed those a lot as well.

    It was good to see someone try and use Lando... and Lobot again!

    Lots of new characters that I liked. And not the mention of a whole knew threat thats not the same old Empire. Who else did that? Besides TaB and the NJO (excluding any comics). And I liked the Yevethian.

    Read 'em. Yeah, what everyone else said.
     
  18. Fluke_Groundwalker

    Fluke_Groundwalker Jedi Youngling star 5

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    The books of The Black Fleet Crisis were the first STAR WARS books I ever read. I loved them, and I'm getting them for Christmas. I think you should read them.
     
  19. Doit

    Doit Jedi Youngling

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    I loved the military section of book three. The Luke thread was weak But I'm wondering If we'll see the Fallanasi again in the NJO the technique of hiding Yavin 4 from the Vong Like learned in The BFC. The new shipd such as the e-Wing and k-Wing were pretty cool. But I thought they made the Yevetha Just a little too powerful.
     
  20. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    e-wing wasn't a new ship. It is as old as Dark Empire.
     
  21. Lord Bane

    Lord Bane Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Set aside The Zahn Quintet and the BFC is my favorite story arc by a single author. The New Republic plot is dense, original and it gives us villians that are more than faceless, armor coated soldiers. Lando's bit is fun to read and quite a visual experience (use your imagination). Luke and Akanah have a story that goes against the grain of all previous Luke tales and I applaud it for that. I have mixed feelings (I hate the Current v. I love the realism of emotions given to these two characters - not sugarcoated).

    So, my official pronouncment is that you read them.
     
  22. royalguard96

    royalguard96 Jedi Knight star 5

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    I also think this is a trilogy that gets some bad reviews. I actually kinda liked the Luke thread. I kinda felt for him, cause he got duped by a female - happens to the best of us I suppose lol. But the Luke storylines are always my favorite, no matter what novel it is. I think Leia comes off as a very unlikeble character, especially in the first novel, but the political back-and-forth is a good read. For some reason the yevetha remind me somewhat of the vong. Anyone else get that same feeling?
     
  23. DVader316

    DVader316 Jedi Knight star 7

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    Yes, I think the BFC are great books. Like Mastadge and many others, I didnt like the Luke plot, especially when we all know that his search is fruitless. But otherwise I really liked these books; there were some really cool new ships as well as some interesting new characters.


    I especially liked the Lando plotline, and he is easily my least favorite OT character. I think that is a testament to the authors' job at character development. Honestly, I found myself looking forward to the Lando parts more than anything else...


    Hey, anyone know whatever happened to those cool K-Wings ?
     
  24. Protege-of-Thrawn

    Protege-of-Thrawn Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    i personally enjoyed the BFC. I liked the way Kube-McDowell ventured beyond what is considered the 'norm' for SW writing.
    - Luke didn't end up fighting some climatic dark jedi scenario at the end.
    - The Empire didn't have a finger in the bad business per se.
    - a more cerebral approach with both the Political and Military threads of the novel.
    - A pelthora of great new characters, and a real good glimpse of the communities and societies of the GFFA. The citizenry and mechanics of the social backdrop were really illustrated well.

     
  25. Mastadge

    Mastadge Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The K-wings, sadly, have never been brought back. Imagine the use of a good bomber against the Vong.
     
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