Bpfasshi Dark Jedi question

I flipped through VotF again for lately, and what totally irritated me is the part where Car'das describes his kidnapping by the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi (page 504 ff. in my paperback). Some quotes from VotF:

He was half mad with rage - maybe more than half mad - with all of Darth Vader's power and none of his self-control. (p. 504)

"He was a Jedi Master named Yoda. I don't whether that was his home, or whether he had just flown in specially for the occasion. What I do know is that he was definitely waiting for us." (p. 505)

I saw the Hutts' criminal cartels and planned how I would take them down; foresaw the gathering of power around Senator Palpatine and ... (p.506)

To fit this into continuity with EPIII Yoda must have fought the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi before Palpatine rose to power, and expected the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi to go to Dagobah.

Any thoughts when this story took place, any further information on the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi and what special meaning Dagobah had to him are highly appreciated.

 

Maybe Yoda was already spending time on Dagobash (sort of a resort/hideaway planet)

 

For what it's worth, Timeline Gold places Car'das's first visit to Dagobah at 20 BSW4

 

The point is, that Car'das was sure that Yoda waited for the Dark Jedi.

- Why would the Dark Jedi go to Dagobah?
- How did Yoda know?
- Apparently the Dark Jedi was so strong in the Force that Yoda dealt with him personally
- Since Car'das compares the Dark Jedi to Darth Vader this should be placed past EPIII (???)
- Could that Dark Jedi be linked to Sidious / Palpatine somehow?

 

Tales covers the event actually

The answers aren't really complex.

[- Why would the Dark Jedi go to Dagobah?]

To escape the Bssaphi authorities and the Jedi Knights chasing him including Jorus C'boath.

[- How did Yoda know?]

Farseeing or tracing his hyperdrive telemetry probably.

[- Apparently the Dark Jedi was so strong in the Force that Yoda dealt with him personally]

Not really all that difficult to believe really. Dark Jedi Masters should be dealt with by the most powerful Jedi in existence. You don't send padawans for this sort of thing or even weak knights.

[- Since Car'das compares the Dark Jedi to Darth Vader this should be placed past EPIII (???)]

No, its well before it since Jorus C'boath fought the Dark Jedi's companion. Its just an old man comparing two seperate memories.

[- Could that Dark Jedi be linked to Sidious / Palpatine somehow?]

Only probably in the tense that Sideous was responsible for everything evil going on in the galaxy. 3 Jedi Masters falling to the Dark Side with who knows how many students does imply something foul afoot though

 

Why would the Dark Jedi go to Dagobah?

My guess is that said Jedi was running from Bpfassh to Dagobah from the Jedi task force sent to stop the uprising.

Since Car'das compares the Dark Jedi to Darth Vader this should be placed past EPIII

Not necessarily, Car'das could be comparing in retrospect.

Could that Dark Jedi be linked to Sidious / Palpatine somehow?

Could have been during the purge. My wild speculation says that these were Jedi that knew the purge was coming, and the will to fight their enemies consumed them, so they left the order.

 

The real life reason for this is that Zahn wrote the novel placing the Clone War at thirty-five years before ANH, which was rather foolish in my opinion. Lucas moved the date to twenty-two years before ANH, so now his dates are are all messed up. I just assumed the dates in the book are adjusted to fit the movie's continuity, so that it was after the Jedi purge that Car'das ran into Yoda on Dagobah.

 

That would make no sense, the Outbound Flight project had already happened

 

The took place "forty-five" years before VotF, and "twenty-five" before Karrde's takeover, which took place "twenty" years earlier... these figures are loose, but they imply something about three years before AotC...

Which is, oh... about two years after Outbound Flight...



- The Imperial Ewok

 

'Tweren't no foolishness on Zahn's part -- he was only working from the actual dates that George Lucas provided to him for what was then his plan for the historical placement of the Clone Wars (circa 1989-90).

Before he futzed the dates around, that is.

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Tales covers the event actually

The answers aren't really complex.

[- Why would the Dark Jedi go to Dagobah?]

To escape the Bssaphi authorities and the Jedi Knights chasing him including Jorus C'boath.

[- How did Yoda know?]

Farseeing or tracing his hyperdrive telemetry probably.[/b][hr][/blockquote]The [i]SW Tales[/i] story, though, takes certain, shall we say...liberties?...with Zahn's original preconceptions for this event: it is set some 700 years prior to the films, with a Jedi apprentice of Yoda's species named "Minch" (taken from Lucas's first ESB script-drafts) whom may or may not be Yoda himself as a young man (a definite "not," considering that Yoda was busy TRAINING Jedi Knights as of one hundred years BEFORE this story even occurred); Jorus C'baoth was of course nowhere to be found, for very obvious reasons; but the overall broader storyline details surrounding the Dark Jedi uprising in the Bpfassh sector seem to match up.

A great story, and one I'd certainly like to view as "canon," but in this case, them two continents don't meet.

 

The real life reason for this is that Zahn wrote the novel placing the Clone War at thirty-five years before ANH, which was rather foolish in my opinion.

It wasn't his fault. Lucas gave him those dates, then changed his mind.

EDIT: Darn you, Leto.

I just assumed the dates in the book are adjusted to fit the movie's continuity, so that it was after the Jedi purge that Car'das ran into Yoda on Dagobah.

That would make no sense, the Outbound Flight project had already happened

Apparently there were two Bpfasshi Dark Jedi uprisings, one in which C'baoth fought before the Clone Wars, and another, unrelated one after the Battle of Geonosis. From The Essential Chronology:

The chaos of the Clone Wars triggered a violent Dark Jedi insurrection on Bpfassh. Nejaa Halcyon and several other Jedi Knights destroyed another Dark Jedi enclave, eliminating the danger but alienating the Dark Jedi's followers, the Jensaarai.

 

Lucas gave him no dates.

The most likely idea is that Car Das knows him best as Senator Palpatine. It might even have been a calculated insult, showing us that he never believed the man was never the legitamate President of the Old Republic.

In either case, there's no need for a fix.

 

Zahn's mentioned in a number of interviews that Lucas's people expedited over to him many pages of notes and background information from both George himself as well as those in the LFL bailiwick; he was slightly peeved when he learned that Lucas had switched things around, but adjusted.

 

Zahn had Darth Vader appearing 32 year before a New Hope. Now we knew at that time, that he was Luke's father and this obviously happened before he was put into the suit. So unless he thought that Luke was 32 in ANH I can't see how he could have thought that Vader appeared so early.

 

I would have guessed that Yoda either A) guessed where the planet was based on telemetry and vectors from Bpfasshi, or used the force to get there ahead of him.

 

I still think it was foolish to include details about the Clone War when the information was subject to change, as it did.

 

darth-skycrawler: Zahn was being sneaky here. What the Noghri actually said was that the ship that crashed into Honoghr crashed then - not that Vader's arrival followed immediately...

I wouldn't rule out the possibility that what happened to Honoghr had something to do with Thrawn, and that artwork over in the other thread...



- The Imperial Ewok

 

I have to agree with Vader appearing to early in Zahn's writing. Lukein ANH had to be either 18 or 20. Also he had to be conceived within that time frame. Unless he thought that Vader could get in and out of the suit at will(that was proven to be false in the movies due to how damaged Vader looked and the more machine then man comment) it was really foolish for him to even write about it, especially the Clone Wars when nothing was said about it. Why would he even think Lucas would have stuck to the dates he gave and wouldn't have changed his mind is crazy in my opinion. He had to have believed that if he used them. Zahn should have been smart about it by being vague timeline wise.

 

I wouldn't have written about anything in the clone war or prior to it, but apparently Zahn had to have a damn Katana fleet for Thrawn to capture to become a threat, and the Noghri to act as a Deus Ex Machina to end Thrawn. He should've just made it an early Imperial fleet of Victory Star Destroyers that were slave rigged, and so on and so forth. Also, his unknown regions seem to contradict the Jedi Archives, since Jocastu Nu seemed pretty confident they'd catalogued every planet in the galaxy...

Edit: According to TOS, Zahn originally wanted the Noghri to be called the Sith, thus making Vader the Dark Lord of the Sith given his relationship to them. He also wanted Joruus C'Baoth to be an insane clone of Obi-Wan Kenobi. But Lucas rejected both ideas since they were impeding upon the prequels. It makes me wonder why some of those TOTJ stories were allowed to be published, I'd heard somewhere that they never underwent the approval process and were just published, but I've never verified that.

 

Back then we were all fairly sure actually the Prequels would never happen so don't blame Zhan.

 

"The two guidelines I was given at the beginning were: I was to start three to five years after ROTJ, and I could use any character who had not been killed off in the movies. It was very, very open. When I submitted the outline, we found a few other walls: I could not do detailed references to the Clone Wars era. I had a sort of history of the Clone Wars set up because at that time I didn't know he (George Lucas) was going to go back and do more movies, so I thought that was opened at length as well, but it turned out it wasn't."-Timothy Zahn, Cellblock interview...


Funny how he was told not to make detailed refrences to the clone wars, but not only did he do it, but he also tried to give the events detailed dates...

"It makes me wonder why some of those TOTJ stories were allowed to be published, I'd heard somewhere that they never underwent the approval process and were just published, but I've never verified that."

This is not true, according to the letter section in one of the issues, Veitch says that Lucas himself gave him the basic outline of the backhistory of the Sith, and Jedi in the series so he could write them. Lucas was also very much involved with idea processes for KOTOR video game.

 

Anything that has to deal with the Sith I'm sure Lucas was apart of in some detail major or minor. Especially since that is one of the main and unique elements of Star Wars from the movies.

 

Exar Kun wasn't even going to be a sith, but just a Dark Jedi, until Lucas suggested that KJA made him into a Sith. Then Veitch and KJA decided to tie the two backhistories together when they got into contact with each other. Originally Veitch's story was only going to be about Ulic Qel-Droma.

 

That's extremely interesting. I'd always thought the 'ancient' EU was the one that Lucas had little involvement in, as opposed to the post ROTJ EU that was being released at the same time.

To what extent did Lucas involve himself in the Dark Empire series? It acted as though Palpatine was not a Sith and merely used their magic, but that could be Lucas changing his mind, I suppose.