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  1. Ann1e-Skywalker

    Ann1e-Skywalker Jedi Youngling

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    As im sure we all know anakin finds C3po on the lars farm, c3po would obviously have memory of this place. When he was bought by owen and luke he has no clear recolection of the area. The obvious answer his memory was wiped. Then WHY god WHY does he still have a fear of flying surely all emotions and memorys would be slated when there was a memory erase. And also how is he able to recolect that he and R2 have been in many combat situations and such??? something tells me that the memory wiper dood is not qualified.
     
  2. Phantom-Iam

    Phantom-Iam Jedi Padawan star 4

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    It all depends on when C3PO will have his memory wiped. If it happens before the end of ROTS, then he has 20 years to develop a fear of flying and a friendship with R2D2 again. ;)
     
  3. DarthLassic007

    DarthLassic007 Jedi Master star 6

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    I agree with what Phantom said.


     
  4. DS615

    DS615 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    c3po would obviously have memory of this place. When he was bought by owen and luke he has no clear recolection of the area.

    It's 20 years later, things change. Owen changed. Beru changed.
    3P0 is never told what planet he's on in ANH.
    3P0 is never introduced to Owen in ANH.
    Besides, it's a desert. I'm sure it looks just like any other desert on any other planet.

    I see no reason for, nor evidence of, a memory wipe.



     
  5. Ann1e-Skywalker

    Ann1e-Skywalker Jedi Youngling

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    thats bs u think a droid wouldnt remember a slave farm he worked on for 8 years+??? thats crazy he def would
     
  6. Phantom-Iam

    Phantom-Iam Jedi Padawan star 4

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    What is bs about it? Are you spoiler free on ROTS? And since when was the Lar running a slave farm?

    Bottom line is in the OT C3PO doesn't remember the PT, maybe we will see why in ROTS ;)
     
  7. Helmet

    Helmet Jedi Knight star 5

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    I think it's obvious his memory was erased since his story on Endor only covers SW events from the OT.



     
  8. TwiLekJedi

    TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That's because those events surround the persons present. Except for Chewie, but 3PO probably doesn't know that part.
     
  9. DS615

    DS615 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Bottom line is in the OT C3PO doesn't remember the PT,

    And what makes you say that?
    Show me one instance that proves it.

     
  10. TwiLekJedi

    TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "maybe we will see why in ROTS"


    The problem with arguing against half quotes.
     
  11. DS615

    DS615 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    It's not relevant. The poster is claiming that right now he knows 3P0 doesn't remember. So prove it.

    Saying "I know it for fact" and then adding "but my proof is only a rumor in the far future" is not proof.

    Otherwise, I can say it to.

    3P0 retains his memory. This is 100% fact, and maybe we'll see it in RotS.

     
  12. thecleric007

    thecleric007 Jedi Master star 4

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    There really is nothing to support either claims, besides mere speculation.

    I believe that his memory was wiped, simply because that makes sense in my mind. He doesn't react to Luke's name being Skywalker, nor to the last name Kenobi. He doesn't recognize the farm. Thus, from what I've seen, the theory of his memory being erased would seem logical.

    RotS could always prove me wrong...but for now, this is what I believe.






    The Cleric 007
     
  13. Oissan

    Oissan Chosen One star 7

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    Well, there is a comment from Lucas about this matter (from tfn):

    E! News Reveals Droid Spoiler
    Thu, May 23, 02 11:29:25 PM EDT

    Diaz tells us that tonight on E! News Live, George Lucas reveals a secret about C-3PO and R2-D2 from Episode 3!
    Patrick Stinson: Anakin in Episode One created C3PO. In the original trilogy, C3PO doesn't recognize him as Darth Vader because...
    George Lucas: Well, one, his brains have, his memory system has been erased and so has R2's. So, they don't remember anything from the first trilogy. I'm telling you something from Episode 3, but I shouldn't be telling you that, but I think most of the fans already know that.



    I don't know, if this counts as a spoiler. It doesn't say anything important about RotS and was rumoured for many years, so I decided to post it.
     
  14. thecleric007

    thecleric007 Jedi Master star 4

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    Well then...maybe their is rather solid proof to support the memory wipe :p





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  15. TwiLekJedi

    TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "3P0 retains his memory, maybe we'll see it in RotS."

    Just as perfect as Phantom's statement.

    True bottom line: Only George knows. Well, maybe Anthony Daniels by now, too, because they already shot it. Then all crew involved, too. But not us.


    Oissan, you know very well that George changes his mind twice a day about everything :p I'm still waiting for Episode 11!
     
  16. Phantom-Iam

    Phantom-Iam Jedi Padawan star 4

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    3P0 retains his memory. This is 100% fact, and maybe we'll see it in RotS

    Ok you can believe that and I probably shouldn't have said 'bottom line'. I just think when I watch the OT that C3PO doesn't remember some things. Like the name Obi Wan Kenobi. Why doesn't he remember the name Obi Wan Kenobi? Just a thought
     
  17. Helmet

    Helmet Jedi Knight star 5

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    There are circumstances to support his memory being wiped prior to ANH and none to support that it hasn't been wiped.


    You make the call.


     
  18. DS615

    DS615 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    There is no "evidence" to support a memory wipe. If there is, show me the in movie evidence, please.
    I just think when I watch the OT that C3PO doesn't remember some things. Like the name Obi Wan Kenobi. Why doesn't he remember the name Obi Wan Kenobi? Just a thought

    I can see how you would think that. But I don't see proof that he doesn't remember Kenobi's name. And I'm not even sure if he's ever heard the name Obi-wan Kenobi before ANH.

    As has been mentioned, wipe or not, it is all speculation.

    Dr. Saxton Speculates about the droids memories here:
    At the start of Return of the Jedi, C-3PO remarked to his partner about the fearsome stories he'd heard about Jabba the Hutt. This is another piece of evidence suggesting that his memory is intact back to the days of his construction in The Phantom Menace. He implies that R2-D2 wasn't present when the tales of Jabba were told.


    This makes sense to me, and it will until I see some evidence to the contrary.

     
  19. TwiLekJedi

    TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "I'm not even sure if he's ever heard the name Obi-wan Kenobi before ANH."

    "He carries a message from an Obi-Wan Kenobi. Master Ani, does that name mean anything to you?" - AotC
     
  20. DS615

    DS615 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Oh yeah, thanks!

     
  21. ST-TPM-ASF-TNE

    ST-TPM-ASF-TNE Moderator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I see no reason for, nor evidence of, a memory wipe.

    Despite the fact Lucas himself stated the droids would have their memories erased? ;)
     
  22. DarthBurns

    DarthBurns Jedi Master star 4

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    There is no "evidence" to support a memory wipe. If there is, show me the in movie evidence, please.

    So without physical evidence actually in the movie, this obviously doesn't mean that it happens? You could say that about just about any point you wanted to dispute. I've never seen anyone use the bathroom. This must mean that in the GFFA that humans don't relieve themselves.

    The fact is, it's logical that C3PO has his memory wiped. I'm sure he would have shown an inkling of surprise when he first met Luke, heard the name Skywalker and met Ben.

    And there's the fact that Lucas says he has his memory wiped.
     
  23. DS615

    DS615 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The fact is, it's logical that C3PO has his memory wiped. I'm sure he would have shown an inkling of surprise when he first met Luke, heard the name Skywalker and met Ben.


    No, it isn't logical. You want to think that because you can't think of any other reason for 3P0 to not say "hi obi, I remember you."
    And surprise? He's a droid! If it makes you feel better I think I saw his eyebrows raise and his eyes widen in astonishment.

    The fact is that just because you love Obi-wan and Anakin and all the rest, it doesn't mean that those people are at the forefront of everyones mind. Not even a droids.

    A protocol droid is by it's nature designed to keep secrets. The things it translates and the things it overhears are sometimes quite sensitive.
    Notice how 3P0 denies knowing who the princess is when she shows up in the hologram. But he was serving onboard the Tantive IV the whole time she was there. Are you suggesting a memory wipe occured in the escape pod?

    And GL changes his story constantly. Boba Fett was minor character that had no relevance to the story, and would never be seen again at one point. Yoda was blue. There are only red and blue lightsabers. And now? GL says lots of things.
     
  24. DINVADER99

    DINVADER99 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Lucas has said it more than once, Pablo confirmed that Lucas said at 3Po's memory will be wiped, and when Anthony Daniels was asked if 3PO gets wounded in EP3, Daniels said "Only emotionally".
     
  25. Oissan

    Oissan Chosen One star 7

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    All these small changes you name weren't announced by Lucas to be different.
    He never said that Yoda would be blue, he never said that lightsabres would only be red and blue and he never said that Boba Fett would stay a minor character.

    It is possible that he changes his mind again, although I doubt he would change something like that late in production. But until he officially says so, you have to take what he said earlier.
     
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