Lit Can we presume that Sate Pestage was on the second Death Star in the newcanon?

Inspired by the Sixth Advisor thread:

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/what-does-the-sixth-advisor-from-rotj-look-like.50025527/page-2

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Imperial_Advisor_(black_robe)

In 2003, a Return of the Jedi production photo of the red-and-black-robed Advisor and four others was included in a StarWars.com article, with text that read, "Among the members of Palpatine's Inner Circle are: Sate Pestage,Janus Greejatus, Sim Aloo, Ars Dangor, and Kren Blista-Vanee."[7] This led to certain fan confusion, in which the red-and-black-robed Advisor was interpreted to be Sate Pestage,[8] given that Pestage had previously been identified in the Expanded Universe wearing a similar headpiece.[9] However, the 2013 Star Wars: Galactic Files Series 2 card set reveals that all six Advisors aboard the Death Star were killed during the Battle of Endor, while Pestage is established to have lived past the Battle of Endor,[10] thus eliminating any connection between the two characters.

http://web.archive.org/web/20031008...om/community/askjc/jocasta/askjc20030602.html\

Now that Pestage is no longer established to have lived past the Battle of Endor - does that recanonize that "Ask Jocasta" answer and confirm the pic as including Pestage?

 

What about his role - given that, at least before his scenes were deleted, he was conceived as the Grand Vizier?

I personally think having him replace Mas Amedda for TESB, then having Mas Amedda replace him again after ROTJ - is a bit pointless and overcomplicated - given that deleted scenes generally weren't "G-canon" anyway.

Simpler just to keep him in a sub-Grand Vizier role throughout his career.

 

Does Pestage even exist in New Canon? I thought Amedda had basically stepped into that role.

 

He makes an appearance in Tarkin:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sate_Pestage

but Amedda does seem to have taken his post, throughout the OT era and beyond.

 

Or, for that matter, to presume that, just because he's walking right behind Palpatine, Sim Aloo outranks the rest of the Inner Circle seen in ROTJ.

If anything, it makes far more sense to keep a Grand Vizier on Coruscant, especially when Palpatine's off on a trip.

 

I'd support the new canon going ahead and saying "Yeah, sure, that guy is Sate Pestage. Why not?" Ditto the tall-hatted guy as Ars Dangor, if Tarkin hadn't already described Dangor as looking like this. There's nothing in the new canon saying that all six Advisors died aboard the Death Star, and given that we only see Greejatus and Aloo in that later scene with Vader, we could have Dangor and Pestage living to fight another day.

 

Neat thread!

It should be remembered that in the True EU Sate Pestage WAS in fact canonically present on the Death Star II- the Official Starships and Vehicles Collection #22 explicitly states that he briefly visited Palpatine there. It must have been a quick trip, as he was back on Coruscant by the time the Battle happened. It's similar to the other high-ranking Imperials known to have been present there but who were never seen onscreen, those such as the Grand Admirals Makati, Declann, Takel, Teshik, and the female Dignitaries mentioned in the ROTJ novelization.

There's nothing to rule out the possibility that in the unfortunate new DisnEU Sate Pestage might be name of one of the six Imperial Dignitaries in ROTJ. We may well see this in some book or other source in the not so distant future. For now, it simply hasn't been stated one way or another.

What is canon even in the new DisnEU, thanks to a mention in the ROTJ Novelization, is the presence of female Dignitaries and courtiers aboard the Death Star II awaiting an audience with the Emperor as Vader passes by them. While this does open the possibility that (it must be at least two, per the Novelizations use of women in the plural while describing some of them) some of the 6 Dignitaries seen onscreen are female (excessive Dark Side corruption, perhaps?), it also opens the door to credence being given to the idea that there were more important Imperials present off-screen aboard the Death Star II, and perhaps Sate Pestage might be among them.

 

Just for fun, here's two more images of the mysterious actor, from his appearance in the 1979 Quatermass Conclusion movie that wraps up the version of the series with John Mills. It's readily available as part of the complete set of the series on DVD.

 

Unless I missed something, she was only described as an emissary to the Ruling Council. (If I'm wrong, please correct.)

 

SheaHublin, as you have a knack for tracking down uncredited actors from the Original Trilogy, you'll probably enjoy this.

Did you mention in a thread that you had your own blog about the hunt for the Advisors?

 

It has an aspect of dictator-chic tackiness, doesn't it?

 

If we have that guy's name (and some of the others)

will it be possible to update Wookieepedia to have them - or is the evidence not quite enough for their standards?

 

Depends. What are the sources?

 

I think there was also a bit of that in Vader's looking down his mask's nose at them in the novelization of ROTJ.

 

Yup:

The main corridor was filled with courtiers, all awaiting an audience with the Emperor. Vader curled his lip at them - fools, all. Pompous toadys in their velvet robes and painted faces, perfumed bishops passing notes and passing judgements among themselves - for who else cared; oily favor-merchants, bent low from the weight of jewelry still warm from a previous owner's dying flesh; easy, violent men and women, lusting to be tampered with.
Vader had no patience for such petty filth. He passed them without a nod, though many of them would have paid dearly for a felicitous glance from the high Dark Lord.​

 

Thank you for the kind words, though I cannot claim any credit of my own. I'm simply relaying information discovered by more devoted "hunters", with the hope that the actors will finally receive the credit they are due. As for a blog of my own, I have no such thing, though Ii have considered simply putting up a thread full of various Dignitary images, to include their actors in other roles. It be could be useful for identifying them in other appearances.

Chaos take Wookieepedia's "standards"- such as they are. They (CadeCalrayn, in this particular instance) deleted the entire article on the Sixth Dignitary even though he's obviously there in the film. Even though another was thoughtful enough to create it, the rapid deletion of it has put me off from bothering to add it myself, or any other info there. Above all else, somebody among us has got to have another go at creating an article for the Sixth Dignitary. I can upload several different images of him to bolster the case for a proper article.

Batsoni was credited as one of the Dignitaries when notice of his passing was placed on an older fansite many many years ago, and more recently was credited in an official article on the main Star Wars website as being one of the ANH Cantina patrons (he's right next to the Tonnika Sisters). He and Lang are both some of the only actors to actually be in more than one of the OT films. A simple comparison between the two characters reveals their actor is the same. Francis Batsoni!

Lang was obvious- he's too visually distinctive for even Wookieepedia editors to deny (though it should be remembered there was resistance there, too). At least now we know for certain he wasn't BoShek...

Michael Josephs as Janus Greejatus is trickier, not just because of the extremely common name, but because of his relatively few known appearances. I'll post some screenshots I took that confirmed it for me, after having heard it on very reliable authority from a fellow Dignitary aficionado.He's also likely the only Dignitary actor still alive...

 

Just added a few images of the Sixth Dignitary to the relevant thread, hopefully somebody will make an attempt at an article once again:

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/...-rotj-look-like.50025527/page-3#post-53275806

 

Here's two additional articles supporting Lang and Batsoni:

http://www.starwars.com/news/meet-the-humans-from-the-mos-eisley-cantina

http://www.starwars.com/news/swca-secrets-of-the-mos-eisley-cantina-panel-liveblog

 

And, comparison images of Michael Josephs from Force 10 From Navarone (lots of other OT actors in there, too- perhaps not so coincidentally) and Eye of the Needle and from a TV appearance that convinced me he's Janus Greejatus in ROTJ: