Capacity of New Republic fleet

Hi there,

I'd like to know how many ships the whole New Republic Defense Forces had at the time of conquering Coruscant (from Isard). Personally I think there have been about 600 ships alltogether, but somewhere I read the Empire had arround 25,000 capital ships (what I actually don't believe).

Hope you can tell me what's true and what's not or post me a site where I can read something about this question.

Happy new year,
Garik Tage

 

I honestly have no idea - but I do know a good place you can ask and probably get an answer in good time. If you follow to this link to the Fleet Junkie Flagship thread, you'll run into fleet junkies with disturbing amounts of knowledge on the topic. Welcome to the boards!

- Keralys

 

In SotP it was stated that at the Empire's height they fielded 25,000 Star Destroyers. I can't remember the exact numbers but I think they worked out that the Empire had over 1 million capital ships ranging from small corvette vessels all the way to the large Star Dreadnaughts. How did they work it out? By the power of MAGIC!!! and using the Imperial order of battle.

As for the NRDF, I don't think there are any hard numbers. The authors don't tend to give us much about the strength of the NRDF, other then during the BFC.

 

600 ships altogether for the entrie fleet defending the entire galaxy? It has to be alot more then that.

 

Yeah, that's why I'm asking you

 

I think (Dubious source, of course) Wookiepedia says that the Empire went from 25,000 Star Destroyers at it's height to 200 around the time of The Thrawn Duology. I must say that numbers on ships and troops is always a little confusing. It's hard to establish figures that make sense in the scope of patrolling the galaxy and keeping peace yet being feasable in production quantities.

Carnage

 

Yeah but you've got to remember that they have production capabilities of a galactic scale, producing these massive amounts of ships is hardly unfeasible.

 

That is taken out of SotP. I don't see a problem given the number of SDs as they would be a fraction of the total Imperial fleet.

As for the NRDF it would be smaller but not so small that it would be a push over. Once Coruscant fell it would have to have the forces to secure its territory. It would probably have several thousand capital ships, though maybe only a few hundred would be able to stand toe to toe with a ISD.

 

The Empire had around 25,000 ships in use at the height of the Empire meaning Pre-Endor, I'm assuming after Endor which saw most of Death Squadron wiped out and I'd guess several Outer Rim fleets badly damaged and all the battles between there and the Borleias/Couruscant Campaign the Empire probably had 20,000 still with most of them defending key core worlds ie Corellia, Kuat, Fondor, Balmorra, Bilbringi.

 

Thanks for the answer. I think these are very realistic facts I can work with

Happy new year,
Garik Tage

 

No, that's not correct. The 25,000 figure relates to Imperial-class Star Destroyers alone. Altogether, the Empire had a minimum of millions of capital ships.

 

During the Battle of Coruscant alone (Yuuzhan Vong War) half the New Republic Navy numbered at least ten thousand warships. Odds are that at it largest the NRDF fielded at least a few tens of thousands of warships.

--Adm. Nick

 

There is a very good reason the numbers are so sketchy for this...especially in the case of the NR. If solid numbers are put down, it sets it in canon and writers will be held to that number...and since in the case of the NR, we are talking about significantly smaller numbers of ships then the Empire, filling out the entire fleet roster could be attempted (oh boy wouldn't we try).

The Imperial Fleet at it's height had 25,000 Star Destroyers (I believe this was ALL varieties of Star Destroyers, not just ISD) and approximately a million capital ships in active service & reserve (it is not EXACTLY 1 million, the number is symbolic, not logistical...as I am sure the 25,000 number is as well.)

Considering the philosophy of the NR, and the desire to place personal sovereignty and defense first and foremost on each world itself, the NR fleets and overall strength would be but a fraction of a fraction of the centralized "Big Brother" mentality of the Empire.

I would argue that the NR, at it's absolute pinnacle, had between 10,000 and 25,000 ships...but certainly no more then 25,000...most of them being smaller capital vessels...all ships of the line were part of the 5 Fleets, maybe counting 200 (again an appoximation). I only high-end at 25,000 cause I know some author will reach for that number after seeing the Imperial Star Destroyer count (and you know it too.).

I also think that any numbers taking from the battles of Coruscant are quite hazy when considering standard operational strength. No doubt there were mothballed relics involved, merc forces, perhaps private fleets of Corporate Enterprises, militia's of member worlds, who forces are NOT officially part of the NR navy. Tack on to that any private citizen's with a YT 1300 or better and a nasty penchant for patriotism...all factors in any grand idea of battle count in those conflicts...I was pretty clear from about the time of Ithor on that the NR would take help wherever it would come.

 

The Empire ruled a billion stars, a million major systems, and 50 million colonies, protectorates, and governorships, while being connected with a number of client states such as the Hapes Consortium, Corporate Sector, and Hutt Space.

Considering just the major systems each Imperial-class has to watch over an average of 40 worlds.

The Imperial Navy, according to both the Order of Battle as well as a SWRPG Core Rulebook Quote, operated over 25,000 Imperial-class Star Destroyers. The Imperial Sourcebook makes it clear that Victory-class Star Destroyers are being relegated to Reserve Fleets in the Core and no longer operate as central figures in fleets. At best the Imperial Navy Order of Battle makes allowance for 1 VSD within a specific type of Heavy Squadron.

A likely upper limit on active Victory-class vessels is ~20,000, given a maximum of 20 per Standard Sector Group.

Based upon the 1,024 Seats in the Republic Senate, and the 25,000 numbers, the Empire operated roughly 1,000 actual Sector Groups and a number of Oversector Commands.

Which amounts to ~24,000 Imperial-class and 1.6 million (perhaps including 20,000 Victory) smaller capital ships, ranging from hundreds of Heavy Cruisers and Light Cruisers, to a few thousand frigates and corvettes, in just the Sector Groups.

According to Cracken?s Threat Dossier a New Republic Defense Force Fleet operates more akin to an Oversector Command, containing ?dozens? of Sectors and fielding a force the size of an Augmented Imperial Sector Group.

Augmented Imperial Sector Groups contain 80 Battle Squadrons, each headed by an Imperial-class Star Destroyer, 206 Heavy Squadrons some of which, if not all, headed by Victory-class Star Destroyers, and numerous other basic Light, Bombard, and Troop Squadrons.

Full augmentation numbers are difficult to come by, however some estimates have identified as many as 40,000 combat capital ships.

Now, the NRDF Fifth is not at this strength level, however the other four Fleets seem to maintain at least these numbers, as the circa-16 ABY New Republic fleet was only 5,000 ships smaller than the Imperial Navy.

Thus, in the other four fleets the NRDF fields perhaps 160,000 combat vessels plus the fifth, only 400 of which are Star Destroyer-scale.

The Fall of Coruscant, 7-ABY, is closer to the Thrawn 9-ABY era, where the Empire and the Republic were on equal footing militarily.

Considering that a basic New Republic Sector Group could be outmatched by a force of 6 Imperial Star Destroyers, and Coruscant maintained a personal defense force of 6 Star Cruisers, working from the ~1,000 Sector total figure the 9-ABY New Republic fleet could be as large as 4,500 Mon Calamari Star Cruisers plus attendant Heavy Cruisers, captured Star Destroyers, etc for a total strength somewhere in the tens of thousands.

As of 7-ABY the New Republic likely has at least a few thousand major Star Cruisers, likely larger numbers of smaller, albeit older, Cruisers, and eventually evolved as of 16-ABY to nearly the size of the Imperial Navy, and then began to downsize.

 

The NRDF, at least by the time of VotF, was able to draw upon the forces of member governments, such as the Ishori, Diamala and Mon Calamari, who apparently maintained their own militaries outside of the NRDF fleets and sector commands proper.

 

hi all,

the empire rules 1,32 mio mainmemberworlds divided by the old republic system of systems
= 1.320.000:50 = a maximum of 26400 sectors

perhaps is the navy not the entire starfleet
starfleet = sector forces
navy = mobile fleets/task forces like the death squad

a sectorfleet min. 2400 ships and at max. 40.000 ships

the CIS alone had millions of combatships and it consisted only of few ten thousands systems.

Ketan

 

CIS had millions of combatships which could include all fighters.

 

There were a maximum of 26,400 Sectors in the Old Republic well before 20 BBY.
In the later days of the Old Republic this definition of 50 Systems to a Sector no longer applied, as the Imperial Sourcebook stipulates that the definition became vague and sectors began to increase in size.

Whatever the state of the Old Republic system, recent limitations on the number of Imperial Star Destroyers to over 25,000 implicitly establishes a roughly ~1,000 Moff-governed Imperial Sector Groups, in addition to numerous Oversector Groups.


Actually, Lord of War tells us of billions of Vulture and tri-fighter droids tied to the Confederacy Navy.

 

no the source said that the CIS had billions of fighters

 

Well, there has been a Calamari Defense Force since at least the time of the World Devastator attacks.

But, don't confuse that force with all the Mon Cal cruisers we see in the EU. Those ships are owned and operated by the NR and later GA.

Some fans still think that the NRDF was like the alliance in Babylon 5- where all forces were owned by individual members who contributed them during a crisis. The NR and later the GA were not like this at all.

--Adm. Nick

 

AdmNick22: Well, it's been clear in VotF and elsewhere that the NRDF clearly had its own ships (those three corvettes at Bothawui and the five fleets come to mind, as well as the sector fleets). The only question is how large are the militaries of the member governments as opposed to the NRDF proper?

 

Large enough to contain Endurance-Class carriers and Nebula-Class Star Defenders.

And there must have been at least 6,000 sectors (a number, which also fits with the "thousands of sector-groups" from the ISB) at the time of ROTS, because otherwise the 2,000 senators making their petition wouldn't have been an impotent minority.

@Ice-Hawk: For the love of it, no matter how I turn and twist it I get a minimum of 60 VSDs from the ISB for a single sector, not 20. How did you reach that conclusion?

 

Well, Diamala and Isht may of been able to field Star Destroyers and Fleet Carriers, but we have no idea about numbers. Then we have a species like the Mon Calamari, who have more than enough wealth to build a massive private defense fleet, yet seem content building the vast, vast majority of it's Star Cruisers for the NR/GA. In return the NR/GA maintained large formations of warships over the world during times of conflict or crisis- plus whatever forces were regularly assigned to the Calamari Sector and whatever forces the Calamari Defense Force deploy.

FTeik, I agree that certain worlds are capable of maintaining large defense fleets. But, even during the tenure of the NR it is likely that federal forces outgunned and possibly outnumbered most defense fleets.

--Adm. Nick