CIS won the Battle of Kashyyyk?

Indeed. Page 109: "Kashyyyk is lost to the Separatists when the clone forces of the Republic attack the Jedi and the Wookiees in response to Emperor Palpatine's Order 66 command [...] Kashyyyk will become an enslaved world, leading to one of the darkest periods in Wookiee history. The planet will eventually be liberated under the New Republic".

Explains why the Empire has to invade the planet in Dark Lord.

 

Doesn't Quinlan mention that the 'Republic' occupied Kashyyyk after the ROTS battle, at the end of The Hidden Enemy?

 

Not that I recall. Faie's troopers are still there directly after - though Faie himself and several troops are killed by Vos - though the CIS might overrun whatever force remains there during the nine months between Quin's "funeral" and his return to Kashyyyk.

 

it really doesn't matter who won because all the droid units got shut down at the end of ROTS. so the CIS victory parte lasted a whole day woohoo

 

Umm... does "Kashyyyk is lost to the Separatists" definately mean that Kashyyk is lost into the Seperatists' control, or could it mean that Kashyyk is lost by the Seperatists...?

As far as I can see, the phrase quoted seems capable of covering both meanings...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

That passage sounded more like the Separatists lost the battle for Kashyyyk to the Republic instead winning it.

 

Depends on the description of :Kashyyyk was lost to the Seperatists

Are the Seperatists the Subject or is it Kashyyyk.

To say something is "lost to someone" can mean either it was lost into "someones" possession or that it was lost by that someone.

I think it this case it was intended one way and read by everyone in another. I believe it was intended to indicate that the Seperatists lost Kashyyyk at or about the time of Order 66 being made.

It is taken by most, and will seemly be considered such now, that "because" of Order 66, The Republic lost Kashyyyk to the Seppies. Here are my issues with this idea however:

1) The night after Order 66, the Clones are freely patroling Kashyyyk in search of Yoda. Don't seem concerned about Seperatist Forces.

2) As soon as Anakin shutsdown the droids, Kashyyyk will be liberated, the Trandos can't hold the planet alone.

3) There is absolutely ZERO indication in Dark Lord that the Seperatists are in control of Kashyyyk. To the contrary, the Wookies are stockpiling against the Republic themselves. It is this independent act of defiance and rebellion and the Jedi on Kashyyyk which lead to Imperial invasion and enslavement.

That said, I propose these theories concerning the line:

A) Imperial propoganda...The galaxy is told that Kashyyyk is under CIS control to justify invasion, when reality is no where near.

B) Any world that is contrary to Imperial edict is immediately marked as "CIS" in the post-Clone War period into the considerable future...perhaps even leading up to the rebellion. (I think connections between the CIS and the Rebel Alliance would be awesome reads)

However you take it, none of it really matters cause we are talking about a handful of weeks, maybe a couple months before Imperial occupation.

 

Or, alternatively, this could mean that the Seperatists weren't being directly defeated by the Jedi/Wookiee strategy, and that the unleashing of the clones, the removal of the Jedi and Wookiees, led to their being kicked off the planet. It's a messy sentence - it could read either way... or it could just be a bit clumsy in its apparent cause-and-effect structure?

It could even mean that Kashyyyk has already been lost to the Seperatists when this happens...

But I do take your point...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

I would argue that ships in the system do not indicate control. Perhaps the CIS forces are being collected for extraction. Perhaps a second invasion attempt will be made...perhaps a blocade is in place by either side, preventing the other from leaving the system.

I understand the reasoning in what you're saying...I just don't know if it is substantial enough to say things that way. Is it right to say that for 20 hours the CIS controlled Kashyyyk? I mean were garrisons in place...were governors entrenched. Would defensive measures be established.

When you indicate something was "Lost" into the hands of your enemy, it usually means you have to fight to get it back. In this case, even if the CIS controls the planet for a couple days, that is not enough time for anyone to "RECORD" that the planet was under opposition control.

Personally I would argue that Order 66, if it had any bearing on the overall battle, would only prolong the extended conflict, not lead to Imperial troops fleeing CIS takeover.

Again, I think this is yet another baseless and stupid entry by someone being clever without all the facts and we have to piece it together.

I am glad we agree that by Dark Lord atleast, this issue is behind us.

 

Why do people assuem that every time CIS forces are ever attacked or attack, they're automatically going to be slaughtered?

 

If you are referring to my comments, I do not indicate any such thing, I just state that Order 66 should not lead to a victory for the CIS...that doesn't make sense to me. Unless the Republic Defenses of Kashyyyk were desperately undermanned, I can't see how in a brief time between Order 66 and the shutdown of the Droid Armies, that they could take the entire world of independent Wooks and scattered clone divisions.

If you are making a more general statement about people and the CIS...it's because by the time of ROTS, they are pretty much fodder...once the Republic juggernaut got rolling, the Seppies had no shot...was there a CIS victory of significance in the last year of war?

This is what the Jedi were so nervous about...they could tell that the war was won, it was just a deal with ending the sieges and mopping up the leadership...the real threats to the Republic by ROTS were over. It was Palpatines insistance that Greivous was such a major threat that prolonged the events of the war and leads to empire.

One wonders if Greivous actually thought he had a shot of beating the republic. I would bet not, but he did as Palpy told him.

 

Isn't it stated in LOE that the strike to Coruscant is a desperate Gamble the CIS undertakes to change the fortunes of war to their favor?

With the seiges in place, and Dooku dead, the Jedi appeared itching to end the war. Padme seemed ready to stop fighting...would they be so inclined if half the galaxy was subject to CIS control?

And I don't see how the clone cartoons indicate a balance of power...The CIS is smacked up and down in the second half of that series. Only Greivous presents a challenge...but I don't think he is considered a threat to the republic at large except by Palpatine (or so he leads on).

 

in any event, this thread has gone far afield. Lets bring it home.

A neurotic data entry geek on Coruscant receives word that 51% of the strategic locations of Kashyyyk have been taken by CIS forces...he immediately updates the planet, giving it a nice, menacing red hue to symbolize CIS controlled. Next day same guy learns CIS Droid armies are shutdown, Republic has taken 51% of Kashyyyk...changes it back to peaceful green.

I can picture this guy...kinda like a skinny dropout from the clone program...still has his training headset cause he loves it so. Wears a "Don't blame me, I voted for *** (well if anyone ran against Palpy)" and has a workstation covered in jawa juice cups and wrappers for nerf burgers. Couple deathsticks in a bag under his desk.

 

You have to stop thinking of the Clone Wars as an actual military conflict and start thinking of it as what it is?an elaborate play being put on by Sidious and Tyranus. When everything from GAR troop levels to Separatist naval strength is prearranged and determined beforehand, you realize the Clone Wars were meant to be exactly as long as they were, that every system the Seps captures, that every system the Republic recaptures, is all happening because it's supposed to. When Tyranus ordered the 3,000,000 little Jango juniors from Kamino, it was because that (plus all of the millions more non-clones in the GAR) was the exact amount needed the keep the war a stalement until Sidious, as Palpatine, found his opening. If they really wanted a gigantic galactic war that ended in military victory (their own VJ Day), they would've ordered millions more. A GAR legion retaking a planet is not happening because the Republic is winning the war, but because the Sith wanted them to, just as 2,000,000 droids swarming over Galactic City isn't happening because Grievous is winning the war, but because Sidious wanted it to happen.

 

Not only would this require a level of micro-managment impossible to pull of by Sidious and Dooku, but also nobody else noticing that the clone-wars, this largest war in thousand years, is nothing but a sham. There is misinformation at work, but the misinformation is, that there were only three million clones.

 

Maybe the CIS was just a little quick on the draw with their "Mission Accomplished!" banner.

 

No, no, and no. This is the single biggest misconception about the Clone Wars. The motivation for the war was staged, and the two leaders were traitors, but the war itself was entirely real. Armies and navies still fought against each other, people still died, and strategists still had to decide what their sides would do, just like any other war. Every Jedi, every clone, every Republic officer, every Republic citizen, every CIS citizen, every CIS commander, everyone in the galaxy but a handful of people treated the war as if it were a real war, and unless you believe Sidious and Tyranus sat around planning every strategy, every troop movement, every battle, indeed, every action that could possibly affect its course, then that means it was, in fact, a real war.

 

The Republic at least had the area around Tarrful's tree city under control, those AT-RT pilots didn't seem too worried.