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  1. Mitth-raw-nuruodo

    Mitth-raw-nuruodo Jedi Youngling star 1

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    What different types are there?
    First, there was the one on Maul's ship that used some sort of crystal.
    Second, there was Thrawn's/Emperor's.
    What are the differences between the two? And why weren't they used in the rebellion?
     
  2. JediTrilobite

    JediTrilobite Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    They were two seperate technologies. Maul's shielding system was a very rare bit of technology. I'm not sure if it was Sith in orgin. The technology was lost during the clone wars, and was either found or re-discovered through research after that. I think Thrawn talked about it later on in the Thrawn Trilogy. Thrawn's was more primitive, and a ship couldn't call or send anything from inside, but you were fully protected. I think that Maul's was permiable from the inside, meaning he could send messages. I'm not a hundred precent sure though.
     
  3. JoruusCbaoth

    JoruusCbaoth Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The ones Thrawn used were a kind of double blind, in that while you couldn't see them, they couldn't see you either. At Sluis Van, his ships came in undetected, making for major confusion. In Hand of Thrawn, several Imperial vessels made the entire trip to Bothawui while cleaked, and revealed themselves in time for the fight.
     
  4. ForceHeretic

    ForceHeretic Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Also Thrawn used them to sneak a ship under a planetare sheild, how they were able to navigate to the right spots I can't remember cause they were blind from the inside as well

    I think the technology for Maul's was lost cause the crystals used to make the cloaking device only came from one planet in the galaxy, and the planet was mined out or something like that
     
  5. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    Also Thrawn used them to sneak a ship under a planetare sheild, how they were able to navigate to the right spots I can't remember cause they were blind from the inside as well

    C'Baoth did it.
     
  6. snarf5181

    snarf5181 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Joruus CBoath was how they got to the right spot.
     
  7. JediTrilobite

    JediTrilobite Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    And the targeting.
     
  8. Alion_Sangre

    Alion_Sangre Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The Dark Side Sourcebook says that Maul's cloaking device wasn't 100% effective, i.e. at close ranges it could be detected. Targeting rolls made against the Infiltrator are made as if it's 3/4 invisible.
     
  9. Tremayne

    Tremayne Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Ahem... I love cloaking shields.

    Stygium-based cloaking devices were expensive but originally attainable. Unfortunately, the technology was lost somehow during the Clone Wars.

    Under the Empire, a program headed by Grand Admiral Batch was tasked with developing a functioning cloaking device. Batch first developed the hibridium-based cloaking device, which problematically made the ship it cloaked blind as well as invisible. He then blew up Aeten II, which had an abundant supply of stygium crystals. Subsequently, Batch was able to recreate the stygium-based cloaking device. Judging from what Alion_Sangre said, I'd infer he also improved upon it, because he was able to fully cloak the SSD Terror.


    Maul - Pre-Clone Wars Stygium
    Thrawn - Hibridium
     
  10. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Admiral Sarn (presumably under the command of Batch) oversaw the development of the "Dreighton" cloaking technology used in Rebel Assault 2.

    The technology was then installed aboard the SSD TError, as well as a line of modified "Phantom" V-38 Assault Fighters aka Phantom TIEs which were produced at the Imdaar Alpha mining and production facility constructed on the moon of Imdaar. Imdaar Alpha itself was also equipped with a cloaking device.

    The Dreighton Cloaking technology was powered by irridium ore mined in the Belt of Aurra (sp?).

    As far as we know, all traces of this project (Terror, Imdaar Alpha and all V-38s) were destroyed or self-destructed.
     
  11. Tremayne

    Tremayne Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Irridium, eh? Have you heard of any of its pros/cons? Just wondering how it compares to stygium.

    I could have sworn Insider said that the Terror had a stygium-based cloaking shield. Maybe I misread it...
     
  12. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    No, you're right, the Insider does say stygian. Apparently mined from Aten II in the Dreighton Nebula, though the mines ran dry. Batch diverted the Tarkin to destroy the planet, freeing up more crystals and allowing him to develop the Imdaar project.

    The problem is Rebel Assault 2 itself says the irridium ore is being mined the belt of aurra to "power some new weapon".

    A possible solution is that the ore and crystals are seperate components of the same cloaking system, ie: the ore powers the shield, the crystals focus/project/generate it.

    In RA2, the cloaking shield makes that which it cloaks completely invisible (no "black void"), but has no double-blindness (that which is cloaked can see outside the cloak), but apparently must decloak in order to fire weapons.
     
  13. RogueWompRat

    RogueWompRat Jedi Youngling star 4

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    So did Maul's cloak have the double blind effect as well?
     
  14. Tremayne

    Tremayne Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Maul's ship wasn't double blind.


    Two things I can think of:
    - Perhaps irridium-based cloaking devices were used for small, low powered spacecraft (sa. V-38s), and/or they were safer for the pilot.

    - Irridium was a component of Batch's stygium-based cloaking device but not the pre-Clone Wars type, which might explain why his is seemingly superior.

    It'd be interesting to know for sure, however. (Btw, is it irridium, or iridium like on the Periodic Chart?)

    I can't type.
     
  15. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Not sure on the spelling-just guessing.
     
  16. Iron_Fist

    Iron_Fist Jedi Knight star 5

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    There's some info on Maul's cloaking in the Star Wars Episode I: Incredible Cross Sections book. It utilised a rare crystal found on an extremely volcanic and remote world, and was called an Invisibility Cloak, or something like that.
     
  17. ForceHeretic

    ForceHeretic Jedi Youngling star 4

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    but apparently must decloak in order to fire weapons.

    Not good, to much like star trek :p
     
  18. Alion_Sangre

    Alion_Sangre Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Probably power demand for a starfighter. It couldn't maintain the cloak and fire weapons at the same time.
     
  19. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    Maul was able to do pretty much anything he wanted while cloaked, although the Stygium-type device had limitations, as Alion_Sangre pointed out. In addition, a hive of Bartokks developed a technique to track cloaked ships, although Darth Maul wiped out that particular hive.

    I'm going to recap a little, and add some important stuff: The Stygium-type cloak was expensive, but common. Stygium crystals were only found on the planet Aeten II in the Dreighton Nebula, however, so eventually the mines became depleted. The Old Republic placed restrictions on Stygium mining just before the Clone Wars, but the mines soon ran dry anyway. The Hibridium device was already in the theoretical stages at the time, but further research was apparently interrupted by the Clone Wars, and did not continue until the Empire began working on it years later.

    TC
     
  20. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    The "stygian" crystal mentioned in Shadow Hunter is a play from ancient mythology of stygian mists in the underworld. SW does this a lot, but so what? :D
     
  21. A-WingsRule

    A-WingsRule Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "Invisibility Cloak" sounds like something out of Harry Potter! (probably because it is.)

    Anyway, I think the spelling is Belt of Arah.

    I specialise in RA2. :)
     
  22. Matthew Trias

    Matthew Trias Force Ghost star 6

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    In addition, a hive of Bartokks developed a technique to track cloaked ships, although Darth Maul wiped out that particular hive.


    Yeah, they had a Crystal Gravity Trap iirc.
     
  23. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    >> Anyway, I think the spelling is Belt of Arah.<<

    Sounds fine to me- might I inquire as to where you got that spelling from? Just curious.
     
  24. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    Bartokk?

    The same cranky old timer thankfully a former neighbour I once knew? The typical oldie, shaking fists and canes at youths, adminishing then with prefaces like "Back in my time we never walked like that!"
     
  25. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    Well, if he was also an insectoid assassin, I'd say that there's a good chance he's one of them. ;)

    TC
     
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