Clone Wars Command Structure (Possible RC Spoilers)

this info was printed in the march 2004 issue of GMR magazine (they had a nice review of Republic Commando, looks like a good one)

level one - supreme commander (chancellor palpatine)

level two - republic generals (jedi and personnel loyal to chancellor)

level three - clone commander

level four, group one - special units (evac pilots, republic gunships, ARC troopers)

level four, group two - republic commandos (squad advisor,intel; squad leader,you; squad members,specialist 1 thru 3)

level four, group three - regular army (clone captain, lieutenants, sergeants, troopers)

Changed the title to make this more Lit. approprite, so it can stay open.

 

Hm... very interesting. I wonder how Civilians, such as Joram are tied in.

 

Could Joram be considered as a personnel "loyal" to chancellor? Because he is higher than ARC, and he's not a clone commander.
What do you think?

 

Joram, has no power really over the clone troopers I think, it was more of just that he knew the planet so the Clone Troopers choose to work with him

 

Nice info. Is this their speculaiton or officially from Lucas Liscensing?

 

Republic Intelligence is a separate chain of command from the Grand Army of the Republic, but ultimately reports to the Chancellor's office as well.

Edit: I would imagine they got it from Lucas Licensing (there's a blurb about how the Commandos in the game are 2nd only to ARC Troopers), but I would wait on a Order of Battle for the Republic Army to be shown in Insider or something before declaring it official.

 

Uhh... Who's Joram?

-Paul

 

Joram is an intelligence agent working for the Republic. He was in Pengalan Tradeoff and League of Spies

Joram, has no power really over the clone troopers I think, it was more of just that he knew the planet so the Clone Troopers choose to work with him
Nope, he had clearance as a lieutenant, which is military rank and which gives him power over clones.

 

I just got the Insider issue with League of Spies and have yet to read the story. I have't been able to read Allston's first Insider story since I never was able to get that issue, so I can't really speak for that. But briefly looking over LoS, would it be likely for one to assume that Joram could shakily be thought of as becoming an intel agent even though he may not have been recruited as such by Republic Intelligence. As I understood from the forum, which is to say if I understood correctly, he was a reporter when he first got involved with the ARCs. Now it just seems like he could be serving as intel as well.

 

Are the Republic Commandos clones?

Where do Padawan "lieutenants" such as Anakin fall in? I still think they would be more accurately called colonels, since they clearly outrank Clone Commanders.

Are all ARC troopers lower ranking than Clone Commanders, or are there ARC Commanders as well as normal clone commanders?

 

Are the Republic Commandos clones?

Yes, as mentioned in the Press Release.

Where do Padawan "lieutenants" such as Anakin fall in? I still think they would be more accurately called colonels, since they clearly outrank Clone Commanders.

Jedi fill many of the officer postisions, such as generals or commanders.

Are all ARC troopers lower ranking than Clone Commanders, or are there ARC Commanders as well as normal clone commanders?

I belive that clone commanders do outrank them, but ARC Troopers have a slightly differnt way of doing things. No telling if they'd follow orders that they didn't like.

 

I have jsut bought the Xbox Nation magazine, and there is an article about republic Commando. It said there are about 10'000 Clones Commandos....ten thousands! They are a bit like the ARC, they are specially trained and got unique equipment!

When does the GMR mag come out?

 

Hardly very useful.

Wish they'd actually flesh something out instead of a vague, obvious picture of the general hierarchy.

 

I wonder,

Why exactly is Anakin's command constantly changing in the stories?

He's been a Starfighter Commander, a Colonel, and now a Lieutenant

Is he cleared across several different branches at various ranks or is his ranking subject to change per mission?

Also why are ARC troopers training Commanders when they themselves are below them?

 

A lieutenant can mean either the exact rank (ie, between enlisted and captain) or, in a general sense, it can also mean top advisor.

 

It said there are about 10'000 Clones Commandos....ten thousands! They are a bit like the ARC, they are specially trained and got unique equipment!


That's not surprising.

Also, there's no indication taht ARCs are below or above Commandos

 

In the command structure ARC troopers are neither above or below the Commando units, but they are more skilled. The US military parallel would probably be Army Rangers to Green Berets: there are fewer Green Berets than there are Rangers, and the Green Berets have more specialized training, but they're different tools for different jobs and neither is "higher" than the other as far as who reports to who.

 

Which source calls Anakin a Colonel? THat makes sense to me

P.S. Are the ARC Commanders higher ranking than ordinary Clone Commanders, since ARC troopers outrank normal Clone troopers?

 

I think its primarily that the Jedi or at least Obi Wan prefers to work with ARC troopers over the more mindlessly obediant ones

Hence the General appoints them his leaders for missions

 

In the command structure ARC troopers are neither above or below the Commando units, but they are more skilled. The US military parallel would probably be Army Rangers to Green Berets: there are fewer Green Berets than there are Rangers, and the Green Berets have more specialized training, but they're different tools for different jobs and neither is "higher" than the other as far as who reports to who.

It depends on what needs to be done. Green Barets are really good for getting native forces. Rangers are good for recon and fast assaults, although both are trained for both things.

 

I juste wanna be sure of something:

In Insider #74, we can read that A-17(alpha) had evolved to red=clone commader. So, is he still an ARC trooper, or he is now a Clone Commander(level 3)? If yes, is the red trooper from CW cartoon(chapter 3) too a Clone Commander, or an ARC? If no, please gimme explanation, I think I'm a bit confused :S !

 

The new insider explains ARCs vs. Clone Commanders pretty well.

Clone Commanders are actually under ARCs("Advanced Recon Commando"). Clone Commanders also have more Battle Knowledge than a common clone soldier through genetic memories. But not as much as an ARC (who had physical training by Jango Fett himself). Clone Commanders often get physical training by ARCS, since ARCs have more true experiance that what genetic memories can give. It is believed that physical training gives better experiance than just inborn genetic memories.

ARCs are not usually used for command duties even though they do have the same knowledge the Clone Commanders are born with, as they also have additional special forces tactical knowledge. They are usually used for scouts, sabotage, infiltration, reconnaissance and other missions where soldiers with more than standard army and officer training is needed to get behind enemy lines, usually in a small squad.

The cartoon is somewhat inaccurate as it is somewhat a waste of an ARCs training to put them in charge of standard soldiers in the field, especially in charge of the entire ground forces, especially since they are in very limited number, and specifically trained for special tactical missions. However according to one of the Tartvsky interviews its implied that Lucas thought the arcs were his Clone Commanders from the movies, and he was told to put them in charge of the standard clones (which is why there are standard clones along with the arcs in the toon). This is why you do not see any actual "Clone Commanders" in the cartoon, along with the regular clones, and the ARCs.

A-17 is not infact a "Clone Commander" but an "ARC Commander" and Instructor in charge of field training of the new generation of "Clone Commanders". Thus showing the nature that he has more experiance and training than a standard clone, or even clone commanders. It would be similar to making a Delta Force officer the instructor of regular forces officers, since they have more knowledge and experiance than any standard officer.

However, there are infact "ARC Commanders/Captain"(red ARC armor) those in command of other ARCs, and who have the highest level of ARC training and experiance. Alpha-17, the instructor of the basic "Clone Commanders" is an "ARC Commander", he would also be capable of training other "ARCs".

Basically if you were setting up a chain of command for the clones and the clones only, it would go something like this;

Level 1 Clone Trooper (white)
Level 2 Clone Trooper Sergeant (green)
Level 3 Clone Trooper Lieutenant (blue)
Level 4 Clone Trooper Captain (red)
Level 5 Clone Trooper Commander (yellow)
Level 6 ARC Trooper (blue)
Level 7 ARC Trooper Commander/Captain (red)

misc.(not sure on rank structure)
Clone Trooper Pilot (yellow)
Clone Trooper Aqua

Generally command colors are in "green, blue, red, yellow" for regular clones, with yellow being the highest.

However, I'm not sure what the entire rank order is for "ARCs", as we have only been shown, "Blue and Red". With Red being designated as "ARC captain" in some places, and "ARC commander" in others, and blue only designated as "ARC Trooper"...

There may be some overlap in command between the Clone Commanders, and the ARC Trooper(blue). But ARCs are generally fairly independent.

In the case that commanders overlap base-line ARCs it may go something like this;

Level 1 Clone Trooper (white)
Level 2 Clone Trooper Sergeant (green)
Level 3 Clone Trooper Lieutenant (blue)
Level 4 Clone Trooper Captain (red)
Level 5 ARC Trooper (blue)
Level 6 Clone Trooper Commander (yellow)
Level 7 ARC Trooper Commander/Captain (red)

or;

Level 1 Clone Trooper (white)
Level 2 Clone Trooper Sergeant (green)
Level 3 Clone Trooper Lieutenant (blue)
Level 4 Clone Trooper Captain (red)
Level 5 Clone Trooper Commander (yellow), ARC Trooper (blue)
Level 6 ARC Trooper Commander/Captain (red)

 

Where does Bail Organa fit in? Aren't the Jedi answerable to him and other Senators at some point? Or was "you served my father..." just in a broad sense?

 

Much like real-world civilian command oversight over the military, any Senator in the Star Wars universe can also hypothetically come onto the scene and assume jurisdictional supervision over a unit or group or fleet (with the military high-ups reporting directly to them) during a specific crisis.

For instance, in the case of the United States' own administrative structure, a Congressman or a Senator may decree, for example, an inspection of an Air Force base, with the commanding general obliged to comply, beseeming with statutes set forth by the Senate Military Oversight Committee and written into law.

Which might allow, again, Bail Organa or Mon Mothma to affirm complete purview over a potential Republic military operation, presumably wherein their involvement would become a direct necessity.

 

Great explanatin, Val! . It helped a lot.

So where would the Clone Commandos fit into all this?

What are all those new clonetroopers in the new issue of Insider? Standard troopers?

Off-topic: Apparently, a standard infantryman in Canada has more training than a US Ranger. A sergaent in the Canadian armed forces told me that. I don't know it it's true though. Anyone know if it is?