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Clone Wars: Is it canon?

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by Zar_Valen, Jan 6, 2005.

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  1. Zar_Valen

    Zar_Valen Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Do you think the Clone Wars animated series is part of the official Star Wars storyline or not? It was comissioned and partially produced by Lucasfilm, has it's own toy line, is getting another season, introduces a major chracter, and is being tied closely with the release of the final installment of the Prequel Trilogy. BUT, many seem believe that if it isn't in the movies then it is just Expanded Universe. Lucas seems to be giving a special treatment to these cartoons, and outside of Shadows of the Empire I can't really think of anything that has come this close to being "official".

    Again, what do you think? Canon or not?
     
  2. JediMasterGuff

    JediMasterGuff Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    If it's not in the movies then it is part of the Expanded Universe. Like most of EU, Clone Wars is C-Level canon.
     
  3. Blackout

    Blackout Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Technically, yeah it's canon. Of course, anything with "Star Wars" on it's canon ;) Apart from stuff with "Star Wars - Infinities".

    It goes down like this, there are two levels of SW Canon:
    ? G-Canon - The movies (not including deleted scenes)
    ? C-Canon - everything else (not including Infinities and the 70/80's Marvel Comics)

    Basically, it all works and it all fits. That's what LFL's continuity dept is for. Occasionally ( [face_laugh] ) there will be a confilct between G and C, in which case G will always 'win'. In the event of a conflict between C and some other part of C... well that's tuff, the world isn't perfect :p But you can't say "Well the novels win over comics because they're more canon" or vice versa etc.

    While Uncle George doesn't personally vet every piece of SW literature that is released (and in his own words "doesn't particularly care") the fact is that he's set up part of his company to monitor this so it all officialy fits and there will be no major conflics.

    So yeah, it's canon. :)

    There is of course the stream of purists that only accepts the movies as canon and won't entertain the notion of any other form of media continuing the storyline. But they wouldn't be in the Small Screen Forum anyways ;)

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  4. Zar_Valen

    Zar_Valen Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Ha. I would never have guessed there were levels of canon. :)

    I can see the "it's canon until the movies contradict it". But still, it seems like 'Shadows' and 'Clone Wars' are more hands on from Lucasfilm than most other media projects (that's just my opinion though). Well, for instance, when the television show comes out, will it be considered to be a higher level of canon than all the other non-movie projects? And if yes, why?
     
  5. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Generally speaking, any TV show would be on the same level as the rest of the EU, unless Lucas hismelf makes it (and not even then sometimes, as in the case of the Ewok films).

    Lucas has been involved in a number of EU projects beyond CW and SOTE, so that doesn't really give an edge to CW without elevating the rest (and given the fairly integrated nature of the EU, where one goes...), especially given the exagerated style of CW.

    And as far as the levels of canon go, to my knowledge, even the 70's/80's Marvel comics are c-level, though some elements require a larger amount of continuity spackle than others ;)

    There's also an S-level I think for stuff like the video games where the storyline and basic elements are canon, but the gameplay elements are not.
     
  6. clonewarseu

    clonewarseu Jedi Youngling star 3

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    >>>But still, it seems like 'Shadows' and 'Clone Wars' are more hands on from Lucasfilm than most other media projects (that's just my opinion though). Well, for instance, when the television show comes out, will it be considered to be a higher level of canon than all the other non-movie projects? And if yes, why?<<<



    Something only becomes G-level Canon if George Lucas himself wrote it. If the story was not written by GL then it is C-canon just like the books.

    So, basically, if George Lucas writes the storylines for the TV series himself it will be G-level. But if he leaves the writing of it to someone else it will be C-level only.
     
  7. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Again- not necessarily: Lucas wrote and provided the story for the two Ewok TV movies, yet they are still considered c-canon.
     
  8. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    Something only becomes G-level Canon if George Lucas himself wrote it. If the story was not written by GL then it is C-canon just like the books.

    Or if it gets referenced in the movies (e.g. Coruscant) and was written not by Uncle George.
     
  9. Zar_Valen

    Zar_Valen Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Ha. I was just thinking about the animated segment from the Holiday Special. Not only was it okayed by Lucas at the time, it had a toy tie-in, introduced a major movie character (Boba Fett, of course), but also featured the voice talent of the actual actors from the films. Clone Wars can only claim Anthony "I'll Do Anything For Star Wars" Daniels as an original voice.

    But if the cartoon is canon then that gets dangerously close to admitting the Holiday Special actually happened and NOBODY seems to want to do that. ;)

    The Ewok movies were written by Lucas?? I had no idea. I might actually have to watch them now. It can't be any worse than the Droids cartoon right?
     
  10. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Lucas wrote the first Ewok film and provided the story for the second (ala ESB and ROTJ).

    Ben Burtt wrote quite a few of the Droids episodes as well- which is why there are so many references to them in the prequels.
     
  11. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    And anyone who doubts that ROTS can be sufficiently dark enough for kids should rewatch the second Ewok movie and remind yourself that it was designed for kids in a 7-8 pm timeslot in primetime on television... ;)
     
  12. Zar_Valen

    Zar_Valen Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Ah. I'm going to have to go and get the Ewoks movies now.

    What Droids references have been in the Prequels? I know the Dexter Jetster and diner scene mirrors the scene in the cartoon but what else is there besides that?
     
  13. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Off the top of my head: Boonta Eve, Toong and Bogden were all droids references, in addition to the obvious Dex inspirations...I think there was one or two others as well.
     
  14. Mc-Lan

    Mc-Lan Jedi Padawan star 4

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    If you ask me cannon is really a personal prefrence. If you want it to be true, belive it.


    This post made possible by Mc-Lan :cool:
     
  15. Mandalorian_Warrior

    Mandalorian_Warrior Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I'm not really a big EU fan and am not really familiar with the 'canon scale'. But on my own little personal scale I'd rank clone wars somewhere above EU and below the films. Heres how I see it...

    1. The films


    2. Clone Wars, SOTE, Ewok Adventure Movies
    (I think itd be cool if Shadows were animated like CW, but it prob won't)


    3. EU novels, comics, video games, etc.
     
  16. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Why do you place SOTE above the other EU material?
     
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