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Discussion in 'Lucasfilm Ltd. In-Depth Discussion' started by LLL, Jun 1, 2024.

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  1. LLL

    LLL Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Let me preface this by saying that I'm almost afraid to post on here anymore. It seems I can't say anything without hurting someone's feelings. SO: Although I'm curious about this topic, let me PLEASE say I'm not trying to be stupid, cloddish, or an idiot, and if I hurt anyone's feelings by posting it, let me apologize in advance because that's not what I'm trying to do at ALL.

    That said, here in the past few days, Kathleen Kennedy has said: “Operating within these giant franchises now, with social media and the level of expectation — it’s terrifying...I think a lot of the women who step into ‘Star Wars’ struggle with this a bit more. Because of the fan base being so male dominated, they sometimes get attacked in ways that can be quite personal.”

    It does seem that there is a lot of bashing from within the fandom. But is it really because there's another female or somebody of another race in a key role, or is it something else? Have you ever complained about a SW project because another lead character was female or a person of color, or are you really trying to say something different to The Powers That Be?

    I just don't get it ...
     
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  2. Dandelo

    Dandelo SW and Film Music Interview Host star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    oh boy this thread won't end well...
     
  3. StampidHD280pro

    StampidHD280pro Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Kathleen Kennedy may be called a lot of mean names, but nobody has ever accused her of sexually assaulting their childhoods. Or Indiana Jones.
     
  4. LLL

    LLL Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I must have missed a lot ...
     
  5. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Take a look at the comments on the Star Wars youtube channel and you'll see a lot of people complaining about women and "wokeness", so... yeah. Yeah, that's definitely a thing.
    You won't see much of that here though, as we don’t allow that sort of hate speech.
    The complaints on the JCF tends to be more reasonable; actually having to do with story and characters, rather than tHe FeMaLeS or similar nonsense.
     
  6. Clone8looper

    Clone8looper Jedi Knight star 2

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    The manosphere has a lot to answer for. With their false gods, Tate, Peterson, Richard Simmons.
     
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  7. LLL

    LLL Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Richard Simmons! LOL!

    I have to admit, I haven't stumbled across those channels. It's not something I go looking for.

    It's hard to believe people are like that. How can you be a SW fan and still think like that?

    However ... my brother is a Trumper and also a ST fan. How? I don't know ...
     
  8. AvarandElzarsittininatree

    AvarandElzarsittininatree Jedi Master star 4

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    Reactionary videos get lots of clicks on YouTube and other platforms. Some people use popular franchises (not just Star Wars) to get some of those easy clicks. It's a way for them to make a few bucks off YouTube and potentially avoid having to get a mid to low paying job that they probably wouldn't like.
     
  9. LLL

    LLL Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I see a bunch of people making videos about SW on there (some of which are very good for reference if you write fan fic), but I just haven't run across anything like this.

    I guess I'm glad. They sound awful ...
     
  10. AvarandElzarsittininatree

    AvarandElzarsittininatree Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah don't click on them if you haven't already. Just find a couple Star Wars YouTubers you enjoy and watch their videos. All the reactionary YouTubers will do is clog up your feed (many of them make several videos a day because ya know they need those clicks).
     
  11. darthvader88

    darthvader88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Star Wars Explained is a good YouTube Channel...

    Sent from my SM-A716V using Tapatalk
     
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  12. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    If it’s the former they probably won’t be able to answer you because they’ve been banned. We don’t allow that nonsense here. I’m suspicious of complaints specifically aimed at Kennedy with a pass given to everyone else in power at LFL (including Iger) for that reason.

    I can easily know how but that’s a discussion for the ST forum.

    If you want a good Star Wars YouTube channel check out The Stupendous Wave.
     
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  13. LLL

    LLL Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I've seen that one, it has some good videos.
     
  14. GrandAdmiralThrawn66

    GrandAdmiralThrawn66 Jedi Grand Master star 2

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    Get out. /TCF
     
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  15. MotivateR5D4

    MotivateR5D4 Force Ghost star 5

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    Women in Star Wars: We have it so hard being a part of this franchise.

    Also women in Star Wars: All nerds are gay and R2D2 is a lesbian.

    At what point can we criticize women in Star Wars without it being categorized as hate speech?
     
  16. AvarandElzarsittininatree

    AvarandElzarsittininatree Jedi Master star 4

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    If you guys don't want to watch anymore than just don't watch. You don't have to explain yourself to people that you most likely don't know.
     
  17. Clone8looper

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  18. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Everyone, regardless of sex or gender identity, is welcome here. Hate speech of any kind, however, is not.
     
  19. MotivateR5D4

    MotivateR5D4 Force Ghost star 5

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    That wasn’t my question.
     
  20. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    No hate speech. Hate speech is defined as any post that attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as gender identity, ethnic origin, religious affiliation or lack thereof, race, disability, genetic attribute or sexual orientation. This includes but is not limited to:

    —References to the inclusion of a traditionally marginalized group as an “agenda” on the part of filmmakers or storytellers, with the implication or statement that there is no “agenda” in the inclusion of non-marginalized groups.

    —Broad exclusive stereotypes or generalizations about groups of people.

    —Statements that marginalized groups of people are inferior to others in any way, do not deserve to exist, or deserve second-class citizenship in any society.

    —Statements or suggestions that there are or should be defined and exclusive societal roles for certain groups of people. This includes but is not limited to manner of dress, type of work, or movement throughout societal space.

    Do not try to skirt the lines in such a way that violates the above while believing you can claim you did not. That goes for everyone.

     
  21. MotivateR5D4

    MotivateR5D4 Force Ghost star 5

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    It’s insane that comments like that can be made by the women in charge of Star Wars, but any criticism of those comments or of the attitudes those comments represent would be immediately categorized as hate speech. And don’t pretend that that wouldn’t happen.
     
  22. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    If filmmakers or cast members make some arsed comments, it is still on us here to ensure our reactions are not problematic or damaging to others.
     
  23. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    What specific comment are you referring to? What is the comment that you want to criticize? Because the OP comment seems pretty benign to me.
     
  24. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    The recent reference to Star Wars being gay and Artoo being a lesbian, it seems.

    Which... wasn't wisdom or helping to normalize anything... but it also wasn't being codified into LFL's by-laws either.
     
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  25. MotivateR5D4

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