Confederacy or the Confederation?

What do you like more, the original Clone War Confederacy, or the Corellian Commonwealth?

I vote for the Confederacy, because while it was mostly about a Sith-organized corporations with a few random alien neutrality movements, it seems like had more staying power than the Corellians, who are just a bunch of rebellious systems with a few corporations thrown in.

 

Well, first off, they're fighting for two separate things.

The CIS broke away from the Republic due to perceived corruption (a perception which was very much true) and increasingly constrictive laws on trade and such. The Separatists during the Clone Wars were fighting to remain permanently outside the Republic; in effect establishing another galactic government.

The Confederation in Legacy has broken away from the Galactic Alliance because they don't feel like they're getting their fair share of the benefits under the initial GA charter. And the Confederation does have some hypocrisy issues in that they don't want to contribute completely. The Confederation during Legacy is essentially fighting to reforge the Galactic Alliance to be more perfectly fit their mold of what it should be.

In one case, you have complete separation. In the other case, you have an attempt at a makeover.

Its two separate movements with two very separate ideologies/goals. The classical liberal in me has me prefering the Confederation during Legacy. I like the idea of trying to reforge an already existing government entity instead of establishing something completely new and separate (which can only lead to conflict).

 

There's also the fact the the Corellian system has a tendency to prefer to do stuff on it's own. It did prior to the Clone Wars and it wanted not part in the Seperatist movement.

 

I like the CIS more, mainly because the Corellian Commonwealth is nothing more then a terrorist organization.

 

Confederacy- just a pawn of Sidious. Little insight into the how and why that they wanted secession.

Confederation- idiots that want the benefits of Alliance membership without paying the dues. Full supression to preserve the Alliance's legitmacy (along with the immediate execusions of Darth Solo and Niathal for treason) is needed.

 

Definitely the CIS. Despite their ridiculous droid army and Separatist Council members, they did have Dooku, Sidious and Grievous running the show....far more interesting figures than Thracken Sal-Solo or Dur Gejjen.

 

I much prefer the original Confederacy of Independent Systems. True, it was mainly set up so Palpatine could seize more power, but at least some of the member states were also seceding because they felt the Republic was too corrupt (which it almost was), which seems to be a moral stance.

Corellia basically wanted to set up its own little empire, building invasion fleets, not paying taxes while still getting the benefit of GA membership. The other Confederation members sound somewhat the same, with how the Hutts wanted more benefits in exchange for not joining the Confederation, but that's essentially blackmail. If they don't want to be in the GA, fine, but that means no benefit either.

And Corellia only got allies due to fake evidence. While the original Confederacy was mainly made up of corrupt corporate businessmen, at least they had banded together under Dooku sorta by their own choice, and they were all the same kind of beings.

 

The gamer in me likes the CIS more. They had their own ideology going on (diluted as it was by the rampant pro-corporation stuff), and their own 'culture'- massive droid armies, Grievous in charge, their own distinctive look and feel. I'm not sure if the Corellian Confederation had anything like that. Additionally, the Confederacy, unlike the Confederation, was not tied to any one planet or region, and so had the potential to spread their support farther out into the galaxy.

If they ever make a Star Wars: Rebellion sequel, or some other kind of game, that's very Infinities, I would very much rather like to play a surviving smaller CIS that lives past the Battle of Yavin... maybe even to the Legacy era.

 

i totally agree with many of you, cis all the way...personally i wish they hadn't called this new faction "the Confederation".

cis had so much more style to it, i've yet to hear of anything visually interesting about the Confederation....that and the galaxy could have been a better place under the cis,dooku with time and maybe a cle or two would have waked sidious. while this Confederation would most likely do what is expected of it, turn the galaxy into a scum bucket for the next ten years...which would be quite a promising background storyline after lotf if they kill off jacen/caedus...

here's hoping zahn gets to do the post-lotf mop up work with his proposed final thrawn clone working alongside ben skywalker...or not.

 

In the words of Eric Cartman:

Long live the Confederacy!

 

Yeah... you have to admit, people would hate the Legacy of the Force novels less if it didn't look like it was aping the prequel movies so much... especially with the blatant Confederation-Confederacy monikers.

I disagree about Dooku being a good leader of the galaxy. He was secretly an anti-alien human supremacist. However, had the Sith been removed from the CIS, I think we might potentially see some good leaders emerge to unite the corporations as well as the independence-leaning planetary/systems movements. Or maybe some rogue Jedi see that the Republic really is unsalvageable, and had joined with the Confederacy to improve it.

 

personally i've enjoyed lotf a great deal so far, but i do feel they could've dodged the whole "they're copying the prequels" crowd by naming the confederation something else.

as far as there being better leaders within the cis, hell no...aside from dooku you had a pack of cowardly slime-balls and twisted fallen jedi. not to mention a warlord from a backwater planet barely surviving his mechno-treatment....truthfully if the faction currently called the confederation had been named the coalition this wouldn't even be an loosely based comparison.

 

I don't have a problem with LoTF being similar in some ways to the PT....after all History repeats itself and all that.

However, I prefer the CIS to the Corellian Confederation or whatever it's Official name is. The CIS felt like one singular entity...banded together by a leader strong enough to hold such a post. There was something that resembled a chain of command and likely some semblance of a plan if they "Won". The Corellian group seems like a pretty disjointed bunch with a lack of real leadership and probably no real plan if they were to win the war. With a stream of star systems joining the group all for somewhat different reasons, by the time they rode upon Coruscant and started sorting out the mess, they would be left with a situation that bore little difference to the problems the galaxy has right now.

 

Conservative Soldier: I thought the Corellian Confederation was also trying to break away from the Alliance, though it seemed to have a different ideology than the Confederacy of Independent Systems?

Wished they had chosen a different name, though.

 

Confederacy, as Confederation is a bland collection of planets that hasn't been really getting any development so far. It doesn't really seem to be a government in any meaningful sense, it doesn't have an identity of it's own. It's just a group of governments who have an axe to grind with GA, nothing more. It's overall a pretty lame invention.

 

That's why I like the Confederation. That's what really happens when you have a bunch of me-first independents and anti-GA factions join up for all different kinds of reasons. They're united only in their desire to get out from under the GA. The Corellians want to be independent. They're only joining up with these other systems because they need their help. Commenor is joining up I-don't-know-why. Some kind of Rodan power bid or something. The Hutts joined because they want to expand their power base after they got upset in the YVW. The Bothans joined because they're a big power after the YVW and they want to improve their status even more, plus they resent the GA for backing out on ar'krai and letting their diplomats die. The only unifying factor is that they think the others will help them achieve their agendas. Of course there will be internal squabbling for leadership. Of course they don't have much of a unified plan. It's a different picture from pretty much any other government we've seen in SW, and that alone makes me like it.

 

But then that makes them a more opportunistic version of the Rebel Alliance. The CIS of old could be summed up as various corporations and a few regional (planetary/system/racial) breakaway political factions, both made into pawns of the Sith. The Alliance was a hodgepodge of various interests, between moderate democratists like Bail Organa, Republic revivalists like Mon Mothma, and the ubiquitous independent Corellians under Bel Iblis. And then there's all of the regional (see above for classifications) movements who simply hate Imperial rule.

So basically, the Confederation is a sleazy version of the Rebels with the Separatists' name.

 

Well, no, the CIS was a conglomeration of people who had little in common besides hating the Republic, too. A lot of them wanted independence, and had nothing in common with the corporate interests -- they may even have rebelled because of the Republic's perceived control by corporate interests. Really, the only thing holding the CIS together was mutual hatred of the Republic and Dooku's incredible charisma and ability to make everyone feel he was on their side.

The Rebellion, on the other hand, was largely ideologically consistent. Various groups joined it, but they all fundamentally wanted the destruction of the Empire, removal of its oppression, and the restoration of republican government and civil liberties. They had a shared goal and ideology as opposed to the CIS or Confederation, which is composed of factions with various goals and ways of thinking, many of them conflicting.

 

Yeah, with both Confederacies, I believe that a large number of smaller, unimportant systems signed on when the upstart faction scored some type of victory, almost as if they felt that they had better cast their lot with the potential victors. When a new government gets installed, better to be a winner.

In the case of the Rebellion, I don't think anyway really believed that the Empire would be defeated, so anyone who signed on truly truly believed in the cause.

 

The corporations in Star Wars seem usually to be more like actual business kingdoms (some with literal hereditary succession), than the feuding paranoid megacorps of cyberpunk. I think if they can learn to strike some sort of deal of mutual government in the Corporate Sector Authority (unless I'm remembering wrong, and the CSA is governed by one company instead of several), they could have laid down arms slightly to maintain a Confederacy.

That said, does anyone think that the CIS could have succeeded without the Sith? What if Dooku had decided to do the secession thing without necessarily falling to the Dark Side? He could have just been an ex-Jedi who was a rabble-rousing demagogue.

 

A excellent point my friend.

The Confederation interests me in that they have very few reason for alliance. If the GA was defeated by them (which, given what we know, is EXTREMELY unlikely), they Confederates would undoubtedly splinter shortly thereafter. Their seems little interest in establishing a galactic government by them. They are more of a coalition of like minded worlds than a government. In fact, based on what we have seen, the only uniting factor they have is a Supreme military commander. And, even this position is not exceptionally powerful, as any wolrd can do what it wants with its forces.

--Adm. Nick