Corran Horn's Family - Very Confusing

I re-read "I, Jedi" this summer, and because I just joined this forums, I might as well post what I thought after reading it this summer.

Valin Halcyon (Hal Horn), escaped the Great Jedi purge because his adoptive father (Rostek Horn, who adopted him after Hal's father, Neeja, died in the Clone Wars) concealed his identity... but the Great Jedi purge took place in 19 BBY, and Corran Horn was born in 18 BBY. This seems like a very big error to me.

If Hal Horn was still a child, as "I, Jedi" implies (or else why would he need to be adopted, and why would he not be a full-fledged Jedi, un-able to escape the purge and fighting in the war) how was Corran Born only a year after the purge?

Anyone have any data which could clear this up?

 

This has already come up a few years ago. I'd say it's a situation of pushing Hal's birth back several years. Remember that Hal Horn was his biological father's pupil and there was a picture of him and his father prior to Neeja's going off to fight in the Clone Wars, yet we don't know how long before the wars that picture was taken. In the picture he was around ten, if I recall TKT correctly.

 

It is also quite possible, and quite likely, that Hal Horn fathered Corran while still a teenager.

 

Why does Hal need to be a child when he was adopted. It is possible that he was adopted in the sense that his records were changed to show legally that Rostek was his father. Even if he was an adult there would be nothing to stop the authorities from finding out his parentage. Even from his last name of Halcyon, the name of a known Jedi, that would have aroused suspicion. so he could have had his records altered even to the age of round 20 which seems the likely age he was when he fathered Corran

 

Because I, Jedi specifically stated that Hal was still a boy when Neeja died. He was not full grown.

 

True.

 

Ahh I see. Well does the 60 is the new forty apply here. That would mean 20 is the new 16.66666...

 

Well, the "60 is the new 40" line was a joke, not to be taken literally. so, no, 20 is not the new 16. Nice try though.

 

Yeah I know. I was joking too.

 

It's a mess, yep...

Basically, Jedi Trial bears no relationship to the Stackpole backstory beyond the existence of a Corellian Jedi called Neeja Halcyon with a son named Valin...

Part of the problem is that when I, Jedi was written, there was a long gap between the Clone Wars and the rise of the Empire...

There is some wiggle-room, because I, Jedi is first-person narrative, and Corran needn't be telling the truth. At present, the best fix might be that Neeja is Hal, and Valin Halcyon is Corran Horn (the age discrepancy being explained with the longer Corellian years we have to hypothesise to explain the ages of Jag Fel and Val Horn)... though I don't think that's exactly ideal...

Alternatively, we can jack Valin's age upwards using said Corellian years, or assume he lied to Anakin in Jedi Trial (what does he say; what do we see?)... or even assume that the Prequel novels are in-universe fiction...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

What confusion? Neeja and Scerra had Halcyon, named after some fish. Said to be ten when Neeja died, the wife married their friend Rostek. Halcyon's given name was Valin, but they called him Hal.

 

The first thing we have to explain is why it's suddenly a secret in Jedi Trial...

Perhaps the Corellian Jedi were under pressure to conform to Temple Orthodoxy? That works...

The real difficulty is wiggling "ten" after Jedi Trial (20BBY) enough to allow him to have a kid in 18BBY...

Now we can do this at least partially with those useful Correllian years I made up as a fanon kludge... we know that Valin is twelve when he should be fourteen, and Jag is twenty from his father's POV when he's about twenty-two or twenty-three by internal chronology.... something like 1.2 standard seems okay... so we need to wedge out "ten" a little bit...

Not impossible. He needs to be "thirteen" and a bit in Correllian terms in about 18 BBY, and we can lose just enough to take him down to "11" Correllian (just shy of fifteen standard) when Neeja bites the lightsaber...

Actually, that works...

And, I mean, hey, Han Solo had his first kid at sixteen, so it flies...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

Whoa, I know it's Thrawn McEwok and there's a sinister looking smiley after the statement, but could someone clear this up? Again I'm assuming this is a crazy theory, but I could be wrong.

 

Vader specifically stated in ESB that Luke was "just a boy", and he was around 19~20 years old. The same could apply for Hal.

 

I believe TMcE is hinting at an old Polyhedron article, in which there was a son with Solo blood... that didn't come from Leia.

I'm sure he'll tell you all about it.

 

Not really, there are two totally different conotations here. Vader is referring to Luke as "just a boy" in the same way and experienced warrior refers to a young recruit fresh from school as "just a kid". Corran is referring to hus father having been just a child, not even a teenager yet. Being literally just a boy.

 

The real difficulty is wiggling "ten" after Jedi Trial (20BBY) enough to allow him to have a kid in 18BBY...

The age of ten has been posted before, but no one has been able to verifiy that a specific age for Valin was ever given in any source. Until such is the case, I don't think a specific age is a problem.


This would be my fix:

Neeja dies in the Clone Wars, not the Purge IIRC. Thus it can work out a bit differently - we just need to allow the actual name change not to occur simultaneously with the adoption.

Neeja dies sometime after Jedi Trial and before ROTS. Rostek adopts Valin upon Neeja's death. Once the Purge begins, Rostek changes Valin's identity. Valin only needs to be "a child" at the time Neeja dies after Jedi Trial (20 BBY)

Assume Neeja dies in 20 BBY. Let Valin Halcyon be about 16. Rostek Horn adopts him.
Jedi Purge begins in 19 BBY. Rostek changes Valin Halcyon's identity to Hal Horn to protect him.
Hal Horn conceives Corran Horn in late 19 BBY / early 18 BBY. Hal is about 18 years old.
Corran Horn is born in 18 BBY.

 

The more likely scenerio is that Valin Halcyon was about 12 or 13 when Neeja died, and he was then adopted by Rostek Horn and had his identity changed to hide him from the Empire. Then at about 15 or 16, he and his girlfriend had an "oops" which resulted in Corran. The books never said Hal Horn was married or who Corran's mother was.

 

But wasn't Hal already an established member of Corsec when Corran was born?

 

I do not know about the marital relationship of Corran's parents, but he did know his mother. In I, Jedi, Corran seems to know both his mother and grandmother. On page 278 of I, Jedi, Corran sees various people whom Exar Kun is pulling images of from his mind, and showing to him. They are taunting him and saying he is selfish and does/did not care if they die. One of the people whose image mocks him is one of his mother. On page 330 of I, Jedi, Corran has a reaction of shock at seeing a photo depicting the close relationship between Nejaa and his grandmother, because he was so used to the idea of her as Rostek's wife. God bless everyone. -JacenSolo48

 

Yes, it is likely that they could have married after Corran was born; possibly once they were a little older. All I am saying is given the evidence in both sources (I, Jedi and Jeid Trial) Valin Halcyon would likely have still been a young teenager when he fathered Corran.

No, not that I am aware. This has never been mentioned in any source I am aware of.

 

I just assumed from I, Jedi and those stories from Tales from the Empire and New Republic

 

Why is this an issue if there were editors?

 

Because issues were created when the events of the Clone Wars were placed within 20 years of the Original Trilogy (originally, they were believed to have been 30+ years prior to the OT). This created discrepencies with I, Jedi and other works.

 

JediMasterNicolas: an old RPG article in Polyhedron magazine, part of a series written/co-written by WEG's Bill Slavicsek, introduces Danielle "Dani" Kieran, who looks like Han, acts like Han, and is convinced she's Han's daughter because her mom and him were an item at the time she was concieved...

She's about sixteen as of Endor; as of seventeen, she's bought a YT-1300 with a loan from Karrde, and named it the Century Hawk...

The stuf in question apparently lacks secure C-canon status (because it apparently wasn't fully vetted by LFL), but even if so, some of the rest of it has appeared in more recent EU....

The main thing about it is - it's good...

Follower: no, you're thinking of Raynar...

On what everyone's said - yeah, pretty much. I suspect there's something somewhere else that says Hal is a few years older... but it seems to just about work... and bear in mind, we can wiggle with Corran's reliability as the narrator of I, Jedi...

- The Imperial Ewok