Could General Grievous stand a chance against Palpatine in a Duel?

We know from watching the Clone Wars Cartoon that the Jedi are almost useless when dueling General Grievous and also from the Clone Wars Comic Series and LOE that General Grievous can meet any Jedi Knight or Jedi Master head on and defeat them easily after a single confrontation but would he stand a chance at all against Palpatine/Darth Sidious himself in a lightsaber duel? LOE indicates that General Grievous would eventually adapt to any lightsaber form that he encounters including Vapaad and this is confirmed by Mace Windu in the Novelization of ROTS when he tells Obi-Wan Kenobi that he is the only one that could defeat General Grievous because his defense is too tight and much to hard for him to get by which is proven to be true.

But then we have Palpatine who uses Juyo which is where Vapaad is derived from, as well as Form IV which shows his leaps and acrobatics in battle,Palpatine is very fast and uses wild swings and stabbing moves and strikes a lot in combat which makes it very easy for him to kill Saesee Tinn,Agen Kolar and Kit Fisto, he is also able to keep up with both Mace Windu and Yoda with little probelm and they use the toughest version of certain forms against him yet he defeats them both indirectly with lightning, Could Palpatine outduel General Grievous in a fair duel or would Grievous just eventually hold his ground and adapt to his moves like he did with Mace Windu?

His computer implants helped him memorize every lightsaber combat form and attack pattern that he encountered and defended himself from, i'd say Palpatine would die quickly because he is mainly offensive as a duelist and would be caught off guard as opposed to Kenobi who drew him in and defeated him, and maybe Palpatine if ever forced to fight General Grievous (as Darth Sidious meeting him in person testing his abilities personally) he would just fight him because he wouldnt belive him to any real threat and would think that he would easily kill him with a lightsaber being mostly droid at that point.

 

Could General Grevious stand a chance against Palpatine in a duel?

In a word, NO.

 

Grievous adapted to Mace Windu though and he is the one that defeats Palpatine (No discussion of that here because im trying to prove a point) and Mace Windu is forced to use his knowledge of the Force:Force Choke/Force Crush to disable him in LOE, i personally think that Palpatine would easily destroy tons of Grievous's Magma Droids with little probelm but Grievous is much tougher than they are and trained far better, he is also trained by Count Dooku and mastered Form II early on which is very important in defeating Jedi and Sith because it is used exclusively for lightsaber vs lightsaber combat,duels and fencing.

 

I think Grievous would be scrap metal if he tried to take on Darth Sidious. Sidious is supposed to be the baddest Sith Lord there ever was which explains how easily he defeated three jedi masters. Grievous is a droid, has no knowledge of the force and even he cannot adapt to Sidious's fighting style. If Darth Vader being part machine, part man couldn't take on Sidious directly what chance does Grievous have?

 

You can't go by what you saw in the cartoon. Every thing is built up, even Mace to the point where he is as tough as Neo in the Matrix...Cartoons are not for realism. Honestly, to any halfway competent Force user who is capable of thinking on his or her feet, GG is a practice toy, nothing more. They have abilities that GG simply cannot defend against. It doesn't matter how good he is with lightsabers. Another Force user could block a grip, could block other tricks Palpatine might use. GG however, simply has no mechanism to defend against the Force. Really, the only way the fight GG and Obi-Wan had lasted that long was for our sake, the audience, so we would be entertained for a few minutes before Kenobi dispatches him...realistically, Kenobi could have beaten GG in under 10 seconds.

Force grip + Force crush (same technique Mace uses in Clone Wars) = dead GG.

 

This is the WORST thread EVER. Lightning. All that needs to be said. Grievous out.

 

Grievous is one of my favorite charectors......but Palpatine would tear him apart.

Piece by Piece....

 

Worst reply ever. Palps used lightning against Mace - did't turn out to good for Palps. And Dooku tried lightning against Kenobi - No result, he had to get busy with his fencing to whip Kenobi's ass.
So please don't use the hackneyed "Force Lightning - Peace Out" rationale.

 

apparently you aren't very familiar with the effects lightning has on electrical devices...

 

You are both a gentleman, and a scholar.

There have been quite a few that have been ALOT worse.

Exactamundo.

I see Sidious balling GG up like a wad of paper. I doubt he'd even take out his lightsaber.

Shame on you Davi, you forget to tell us how to find out by putting a paperclip into a lightsocket.

 

Nah...forks work better.

 

Palpatine would win.

 

Then I take it that YOU personally have never actually TRIED the paperclip method? The fork doesn't even come close.

 

Grievous couldn't win against opponets who weren't afraid of him. Hence he lost to Obi-wan and was forced to run from him and Anakin. Dooku beat Grievous on several occassions. Palpatine fears no man and no machine either. In a straight up Lightsaber duel, without relying on the lightning, he'd simply slice him to ribbons.

 

QFT, even without the lightning Grevious is no better than your average droid against opponents like Skywalker, Kenobi, and Sidious, imagine what Yoda would do to him..oh God I can see THAT one now, Yoda'd cut off his legs first, then hop around him swiping off his arms, once it was all done but the killing, Yoda would sit there infront of Grevious' face and laugh at him before bringing him in as a prisoner

 

Palpatine would easily defeat General Grievous. As a machine, it is true that Grievous could move (and thus use his lightsaber) with exceptional speed. However, a machine is no match for the power of a Sith. With sheer lightsaber skill alone, Palpatine would defeat the General. Coupled with Sidious' immense command of the force, Grievous has no chance of victory.

 

I think the PT shows that force lightning is a bit overrated, and a good use of lightsabers can block it. HOWEVER, GG wouldn't stand a chance against top Jedis or top Sith. Maul would have fun dueling GG, as would Dooku. Sideous just wouldn't bother, and thus the duel would be over faster than you could possibly imagine. Just look how easily OBW duels GG with a lightsaber - now, imagine Yoda, Mace or Sideous in the same scenario?

The comics are unrealistic even for SW, and IMHO they are crap. What we see on-screen is ultimately canon. That's what's so interesting about SW, that the movies are the ultimate canon, not the books. I love it

OBW, although I love him as a character, was quite a bit below Mace, Yoda and Sideous in terms of dueling skills, and GG wasn't half of what OBW was. Why Lucas had to extend the duel as he did is beyond me, Kenobi should have dispatched GG with a lightsaber and gotten on with it. The only reason why Mace and Yoda didn't go was that according to their sedentary lifestyle of the PTs, they couldn't. Tea time

 

apparently you aren't very familiar how the blade of a lightsaber negates/absorbs lightning.

 

If GG couldn't block Kenobi's single saber with four of his own, getting two hands lopped off in a matter of seconds, what makes you think he could block Sidious's lightning? GG is fast, but he isn't all that good. Plus, even assuming he can block the lightning, he is a machine, made up of metal. He is a conduit for the electricity. The lightning wouldn't stay on the sabers, it would jump to him, frying his circuits. GG is a lightning rod. The last thing you want to be fighting a Sith Lord who uses lightning as a weapon is to be made out of material that lightning is attracted to. IE, you don't want to be made out of metal. Just being that near to the lightning would create static discharges that would screw GG up. Sidious doesn't need to physically hit GG with the lightning in order to kill him with it. Shoot, all he has to do is make sure he is grounded, and aim the lightning at any metal surfaces around GG...He can send the lightning through a metallic floor or bulkhead, the electricity would travel through the metal into GG, whose lightsabers would be absolutely useless to stop.

 

1) Are we clear on the exact composite material of Grievious' frame? If what you claim is true, that his frame is "pure" metallic (and not some advanced compound Kevlar/Adamantium/etc.) then yes, he is erector set prone to shock.

but

2) In the times we saw lightsabers negating/absorbing lightning, I did not feel there was a whole lot of sparks going on. Mace was not getting fried or shocked from Palp's point blank lightning (just the close proximity of Palps hands to his own face (extreme heat) seemed to mush up his face. Kenobi did'nt even blink against the lightning - no sparks or discharge.

3) If anything, the lightsaber seems like great conduit/rod to lightning - nary any lightning escapes.


EDIT: Did Dooku give GG a heads up/primer on lighting during training sessions?

 

Well, see here's a more logicial answer. Who says that Grievous knows that you can block Sith lightning with a Lightsaber blade? And even if he did, all Palpatine would have to do is what Obi-wan did to Grievous, use a powerful Force shove to send the General flying. Only Palpatine wouldn't stop with one shove. He'd hold on to him and slam him around some more.

 

Remember the old 3SA thread on the same topic?

Some argued Obi-Wan had no idea of lightning and raised his saber with instinct to negate Dooku's lightning.

Others said Jedi training encompassed the proper defense of dealing with lightning.

Look, I concur that GG is a deader if he faced Palpatine.
My only beef was with those who use the "Force Lightning - Peace Out" rationale. Armed with a lightsaber, we have seen occurrences where Jedi have made their opponents dig deeper into their repitoire.

And of course Palps would have used Force Shove, good old fencing, Force Lift, etc. to defeat GG.

EDIT: And I already posed the same question in my last post - as you did Sinister .... still waiting for someone to clear that up.

 

Why would they? Up until Darth Maul, they thought the Sith were dead, and since the Sith were the only Force users to use lightning, what would be the point of training against something they believed couldn't happen? There weren't any Jedi Masters alive that had ever seen a Sith, even Yoda's 800 years were not enough to have him actually see a Sith.

As for the metallic makeup of GG, it just makes sense that Sidious and Dooku designed him with weaknesses that they could easily exploit should GG go renegade. If you are building a cyborg to be your patsy, you build him in such a way that if you need to, he can be easily disposed of. Fastest way to do that is to use materials that are especially susceptible to your style of combat...ie if you use lightning attacks, you design him so that he is vulnerable to lightning, as a safeguard. You already plan on disposing of him once his task is done, so you intentionally design him with weaknesses. You wouldn't design him so that he is immune to your weapons. To other people's weapons maybe, but not your own.

 

Like one of those cartoons where one guy grabs the others arm and slams him on one side, then flips him overhead top slam him again. This gets repeated until the slammee gets turned into a twisted, crumpled heap. Same would happen to the Droid general if he squared off against Mr. darkside.

 

Absolutely. Like I said in my first post, there are things that a Force user is capable of doing that a non-Force user such as GG simply have no method of defense against.