Could Mother Talzin have defeated Palpatine?

Bear with me as I'm not talking about a duel or confrontation... I'm talking about how she almost slayed Count Dooku. Her knowledge of the Force was never fully explained, but from the scenes of her in TCW, she was probably one of the most powerful users in the galaxy. She could materialize out of thin air, dissipate into a misty fog, use witchcraft/Voodo. She spawned a cup out of nowhere when Count Dooku first visited and he drank out of it. She knew where Maul was, and then created new legs for him seemingly out of thin air. She turned Asajj and the Nighsisters invisible when they attempted to assassinate the Count, She instilled her magic into Savage to make him a beastly warrior, she used a green Force Storm to destroy a platoon of droids on Dathomir etc... These are just a few samples of her power, and I'm wondering if Chancellor Palpatine would have been able to defend against her unique magic? Talzin would have killed Dooku if Greivous and his Droid Army hadn't of showed up... Dooku was in agonizing pain as boils appeared on his face -- he literally had no resistance to Talzin's sorcery. In your opinion, or according to SW lore, just how powerful is Mother Talzin? I know she doesn't rival the great Sith Lord Darth Sidious in terms of knowledge, but I'm not sure he was even aware of her presence in the universe? And according to the invasion episode where Dooku wants Asajj dealt with on Dathomir, all Talzin needs is a lock of hair to create a Vodoo doll and inflict terrible pain and death. I know it's a long question, but I was just trying to highlight Mother Talzin's powers before fans replied with 'She is weak and nothing compared to Palpatine.' I appreciate your time.

 

I think she is very powerful and a dangerous foe. I think it is within the realm of possibility that she could have defeated Palpatine in the way she tried with Dooku but he might have been more difficult to beat since he has such a vast knowledge of the dark side, he probably knows of a way to stop her magiks.

 

When you put it that way, Talzin sounds like a pretty difficult opponent. It's like you'd have to make a Horcrux or something to kill her.

 

I sincerely hope not. Palpatine is the greatest Sith Lord ever, it's downright unacceptable that a TCW original character would be able to beat him.

 

Palpatine is allied with Talzin actually. He works with her to bring back his spirit so that he can be in Episode 7. [Insert Ian McDiarmid casting rumor that is circulating now].

I'm sure i'm not the only one who came up with this theory. For those who hate Talzin and don't want her in the movies proper, I guess it could be a thing where we don't actually see much of her corporeal form, or her new form could be quite different now.

 

No. We see them meet in Restraint. Mother Talzin immediately senses that Sidious is much more powerful than she is, and immediately gives up on her quest to reclaim Darth Maul. She acts very deferentially to him, and at no point does she think she can take him.

Furthermore, the evidence shows us that Talzin's leadership and people skills really kind of suck. She failed to anticipate that attempting to assassinate a Sith Lord and failing might lead to brutal repercussions. She considerably underestimated Count Dooku's resilience when in extreme pain. She considerably underestimated Grievous' ability to tear through her clan like a hot knife through butter. She lead her entire clan to their utterly pointless deaths, and got nothing out of it.

Finally, before you bring up the trick she did with Dooku, she herself notes that "Count Dooku should be more careful when making deals with witches" - that is, she needed voluntary (and unspecified) exchange before she was able to pull it off. Sidious doesn't make that kind of mistake.

 

No, she couldn't, no one can beat Sidious except Vader

 

You never beat Sidious, Sidious let you win so I can turn Anakin, all part of my plan

There I said it again

 

ROTJ says otherwise

 

Mace didn't defeat Palpatine, it was apart of his plan. He was actually toying with Mace.

 

Till General Grievous walked in and saved the day.

 

Neither did Yoda, when the two were fighting at the end Sidious is using force lightning against Yoda. Then all of a sudden it becomes too much, Yoda falls but not Sidious therefore Yoda lost the battle against Sidious. Sidious = owns about 5 Jedi in one night.

 

I know Yoda lost. I meant there are some who would debate that Sidious was just toying with Mace. I think it could go either way.

 

Why would the ''most powerful Sith Lord'' (via George Lucas) be defeated by someone like Mace? So I think it only goes he was toying with Mace.

 

I agree with you completely.

 

In terms of raw force power, Sidious would easily own Mace. In a lightsaber duel it could go either way, IMO.

Back on topic, no, I don't think Talzin has a chance against Sidious.

 

Of course, Sidious is the ''Most powerful Sith Lord''.

 

I don't think anyone can actually defeat Palpatine, he is like super powerful and all.

 

Ummm, yeah...

 

That doesn't count he wasn't looking.

 

Several of the ancient Sith would make a monkey out of Sidious.

Nihilus would just nom nom nom him. Like he does everyone else.

Exar Kun and Naga Sadow are another couple of Sith who would severely put to the test his claim on the "most powerful Sith EVAR" title. Those guys made stars explode, devastating whole solar systems... literally illustrating Vader's words; "the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant, next to the power of the Force".

There's a few Jedi from ancient times would have a strong chance gainst him too. People like Satele Shan, who grabbed a lightsaber by the blade with her bare hand and it did absolutely **** all to her, and who then fired a Force-hadoken type thing that blew apart a rock face like a 1,000 pound bomb... just in the cutscenes from TOR. She is arguably more powerful than Yoda, and would give Sidious a hell of a fight. One that he might just lose. Her ancestors Bastila and Revan would throw down monstrously as well.

 

I think Talzin is the greatest threat to his rule that's been spawned in this fiction before Episode VI, but I know he would win, because up until then, he's effectively unstoppable, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Having said that, the lack of a force power duel between Sidious and Talzin is one of the key reasons I am vastly disappointed by the cancellation of TCW. I was so happy to see Sidious take down Maul and Oppress, but I truly wanted to see these two entities face off in a vy for Dark side dominance.

Sidious would win, but Talzin would put on a good show.

Here's hoping Rebels shows the outcome of this someday, with Talzin ironically leading a little "rebellion" of her own.

 

Palps was defeated by Anakin so yes he was beat, Palps own fault that he didn't sense Vader turning on him