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PT Could Palpatine have saved Padme?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Vialco, Mar 23, 2014.

  1. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    Assuming Anakin didn't get cut up on the last jump and managed to kill Obi-Wan, would he and Palpatine have been able to save Padme's life?

    Let's say that Anakin kills Obi-Wan, heads back to the landing pad and finds Padme in critical condition, so he flys her back to Coruscant, to the EmPalSuRecon center, where Palpatine is waiting for them. They take the injured Padme to the operating room and try to save her. But would they succeed?

    Or was Palpatine completely lying about his ability to replicate Darth Plagueis's feat of restoring life in the deceased.
     
  2. Garrett Atkins

    Garrett Atkins Jedi Knight star 4

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    Nope, he was lying, and Anakin was a moron for believing him.
     
  3. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    I wouldn't put it past him but I likewise think Anakin should've never listened to Sidous to begin with. Anakin let his selfishness rule him and the galaxy paid the price.
     
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  4. run_luke_run

    run_luke_run Force Ghost star 4

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    Palpatine has no clue how to save someone from dying. Complete BS to reign in Anakin.
     
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  5. Han Burgundy

    Han Burgundy Jedi Master star 3

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    Even if Palpatine wasn't lying, and he could save her, he would have made sure she died one way or the other. Padme didn't fit in his plan. In fact, I would theorize that if she had lived post-Mustafar, then she would be, in Palpatines eyes, an obstacle. She would be Anakin's one remaining link to the light side, to his old life, to the Republic. Only with her dead could Palpatine complete his transformation of Anakin into the monster he becomes.
     
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  6. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    I agree with, Han.
     
  7. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    He seems to know about the potential significance of midichlorian manipulation.
     
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  8. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Chosen One star 7

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    Even if Palpatine could have saved Padme (which I doubt) he wouldn't have saved her.
    Or killed her later.
     
  9. run_luke_run

    run_luke_run Force Ghost star 4

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    So do I, but that doesn't mean I can save anyone. ;)
     
  10. Da'wid Yott

    Da'wid Yott Jedi Youngling star 1

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    ..I too agree with Han,

    Even if he could have saved her, he only would have done so if she somehow fit to further his plans. He knew Anakin/Vader was his best and strongest candidate as his apprentice. Padme just fit into his plan, to make Anakin believe he could not save Padme...and better yet...made Anakin believe HE killed her....the ol' push over the Dark-side ledge. Worked wonders on Anakin who was already building his own path that'a ways...
     
  11. TheChosenSolo

    TheChosenSolo Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Palpatine said join me and learn the power to save your wife. Anakin joins him and he says "Only one has discovered the power to cheat death, but I know if we work together we can discover the secret." Caught in a lie from the top. He never knew the power.
     
  12. Merkual

    Merkual Jedi Master star 4

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    I don't think Sidious had any idea how save Padme, or anyone else for that matter, I don't even think Plagueis knew (no matter what the plagueis novel says, it's not on my "it's canon!!!" list) to me Plagueis works best as a "half truth" rather than a brilliant mastermind who could say "let there be midichlorians" and there was midichlorians' type of figure. I mean this is a guy who doesn't lock his door when sleeping...

    I also don't think Sidious cared whether or not Padme would survive, he thought of her as insignificant, and would probably keep her alive to futher torment Anakin,
     
  13. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    Hmm, everyone seems to agree that Palpatine was lying through his teeth and had no intention of saving Padme. That being said, what do you guys think would have been Anakin's reaction when Padme died on the operating table? I would think that he'd turn his rage on Palpatine, but even an unsuited Darth Vader would have a hard time killing Darth Sidious, at least at that point in his training. I'm a little surprised that so many people think Palpatine knew nothing about saving people from death. I would think that he'd be able to do something, as that was the sole reason Anakin turned to the Dark Side.
     
  14. IBYM

    IBYM Jedi Knight star 1

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    I think as soon as Anakin turned to the dark side, Padme's death was inevitable.
     
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  15. DarthWilliams

    DarthWilliams Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Palpatine knew exactly how to cut Anakin to his core and lied through his teeth to do so. He knew that using Padme as a pawn would render Anakin essentially useless to resist Palpatine's grand overtures, and he did just that. He had no intention - or ability - to save her.
     
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  16. Darth Dominikkus

    Darth Dominikkus Jedi Knight star 3

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    Palpatine was a chess master, and the Republic and the galaxy around him was his chess board. He played everyone and everything he needed to in order for the final run to play out the way that he wanted to. Manipulating and lying to Anakin in order to get him to be his new apprentice was part of that plan. He lied and manipulated his way to the top, and he was marvelous at doing just that.
     
  17. SithStarSlayer

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    That is funny. Obviously, Palpatine knew how to "save people from death" or he wouldn't have put Darth Vader in a "life-support" suit.

    What Palpatine said and what Anakin assumed were two different things... we want to call Palpatine a liar, because its supposed to be the right thing to do.... only problem is, he didn't lie. He withheld information. Palpatine deftly switched from creating life to saving life without explaining just how unnatural the latter might be. He cared enough about (using) Vader (to further his cause) so he saved him from death. Sidious indeed.

    Palpatine loved his manipulating his pawns the same way Plagueis loved experimenting on his test subjects.
    Without any hint of compassion.
     
  18. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 51x Wacky Wed/3x Two Truths/28x H-man winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    In the novelization, Palpatine "sets his will upon Anakin" to keep him alive while transporting him back to Coruscant.

    Maybe he could have done some (but not all) of the things Plagueis could do?
     
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  19. Darthmaul208

    Darthmaul208 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    he says "together we will rediscover the secret of immortality" Sideous didn't know at all it never says he does. the line and "he taught his apprentice everything he knew" is a lie because Palpatine doesn't know and in the Plaguies novel he is frustrated about not knowing.
     
  20. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Right, but Palpatine doesn't tell Anakin that he was the Apprentice. He frames the story of Plagueis as a legend and never implicates himself. He also tells Anakin that through him, he can learn to use the dark side and then they can figure out how to save Padme. If he dies, then the knowledge of the dark side dies with him, because the Jedi Council will never teach him how to do it.
     
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  21. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Shelf of Shame Host star 9 VIP - Game Host

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    He could've put Padme in a Lady Vader costume thus making the OT the creepiest trilogy ever made.
     
  22. Master Jedi Macen Arren

    Master Jedi Macen Arren Jedi Master star 2

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    No. He also had no intention of saving her either, She and Obi-Wan where probably the only 2 people that could have talked sense into Anakin. So there's no logical reason for him to want to save her.
     
  23. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord 51x Wacky Wed/3x Two Truths/28x H-man winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    Except in the novelisation - one of many subtle differences from the final movie.
     
  24. darth-sinister

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    Of course not, but he's not going to tell him that. Otherwise, Anakin's going to give Palpatine a colonoscopy with his Lightsaber.

    Well, yeah. Though Lucas had good reason to not include it.
     
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  25. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    That's because the Force isn't real.
     
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