Could the Empire have defeated the Vong?

Could the Empire, unassailed by the Rebel Alliance have been able to defeat the vong?

Seeing as they had Darth Vader, The Emperor, Thrawn, 2 Death Stars, 20000 Star Destroyers and every other superweapon from all the books.

 

Yes, though I it may be a bit more contentious with the crappy TIE Fighters etc. but i think that the cool-capital ships and superweapons should more than adequately coverfor that weakness

 

'Course they would've. The Vong could never have gathered the intel needed to blow up the superweapons.

 

Try asking quewstions here...

Instaead of making new threads for each.

Here is an existing thread that debates your question

 

Well first of all, the Empire wouldn't have had two Death Star's. It would have either have had many more than that or none at all. If there was no Rebellion, the Empire wouldn't have created the Death Star in the first place. By that line of thinking there would have been one Death Star at the most, created to inspire fear in the galaxy rather than for practical purposes. Of course, the Empire would most likely have built more Death Stars if he had one, so I don't think you can put a definitive number on the amount of Death Stars. And of course, all of them would have the ray-shielded only exhaust port, which would have been an easy target for the Yuuzhan Vong magma missile or plasma.

And I doubt that the Empire would have continued to produce superweapons if no threat existed. Of course, even if he did, the World Devastators, and the Sun Crusher(s) wouldn't be part of the Empire's superweapon flotilla, leaving the Galaxy Gun, ESSD's, and assorted other weapons, all of which were destroyed by the Rebel Alliance and therefore would be destroyed by the more powerful Yuuzhan Vong Imperium.

As for Darth Vader, Palpatine, and Thrawn, it is unlikely that Palpatine would do anything besides command the Empire from the most secure place possible. Vader was only a means for Palpatine to exert his will throughout the galaxy, and Thrawn was out in the Unknown Regions.

And of course, that is 20,000 ISD's. Bothan Assault Cruisers, and other modern ships in the NJO did not fare well against Yuuzhan Vong cruisers. Older ships would easily fall.

The Yuuzhan Vong also had an immense advantage in fighters. Coralskippers are superior to the latest X-Wings, and would make short work of the unshielded crates the Emperor called TIE's.

 

The Empire would have defeated the Vong, but not because of their super weapons, though they would come in handy. (BTW, the mangma missles would likely have no effect on the thermal exhaust port of a deathstar because they are not nearly as powerful as a proton torpedo, nor do they function in the same way. Also, it's unlikely that the Vong would get the technicle data to discover that weakness anyway.)

The real reason they would have defeated the Vong is because as soon as the threat was discovered, the Empire would put a united effort into they're destruction. (The rebels' main defense against the Empire was hiding - the Vong are too proud for that.) The problem the New Republic had was they're inaction. No one wanted to believe there was a threat, and certainly not as dangerous a one as there was. Once it was discovered, they still could not bring themselves to work together to defeat the enemy. While they bickered and maneuvered for more personal power, the Vong advanced deeper into the galaxy and gained more strength. Meanwhile, the Jedi are also too worried about philosophy to take necressary action. (Anakin could have dealt a major blow to the Vong at Center Point, but Jacen was too worried about something that could potentialy be seen as aggressive, even though the act would have been used in defense of a besieged planet against a foe that struck first.)

The Empire would have been unified in its efforts to defeat the Vong, and that's why they would have won much earlier.

Plus, they would match the ruthlessness of the Vong - perhaps be more ruthless.

The Vong are thusfar winning because they are ruthless and, for the most part, unified.

 

The Galatic Empire under Emperor Palpatine would have crushed the YuuZAHN Vong the instance they stepped their tatooed feet into the GFFA.

All the ships New Republic have at beginning of NJO were smaller and pack lesser weapons than the Empire's captial ships. Also, the Empire, at its height, have 100 times the resource and war materiale of the New Republic, during the NJO era, had, so they will have a great advantage in battle since both sides will be trying to out zerg each other and the side with greater numbers will win.

 

Of course, they were a militaristic fascist bunch. They had the bigger guns and the bigger ships. And the Vongs wouldn't be mad about the Jeedai. But, after the war, the galaxy would be a far worse place (and I'll even sympathise the Vongs).

 

so they will have a great advantage in battle since both sides will be trying to out zerg each other and the side with greater numbers will win.

I'm liking the StarCraft reference. Of course, I agree that the Empire would destroy the Vong. Nom Anor seems to think so himself, and although he isn't your typical Yuuzhan Vong soldier, he's got pretty unbiased and un-brainwashed ideas about the Vong. Imperial Star Destroyers, no matter how old they are, are still some of the most powerful conventional warships out there. Fighter-wise, while Skips are shielded and well armed, few fighters are more maneuverable than TIEs of any kind, aside from the Bombers. For support craft, you have your Lancer-class and Carrack-class cruisers, as well as "Blockade Runner" corvettes and the spiffy Nebulon-B frigates. If anything, the relentlessness of the Empire would win through, as the (former) New Republic was defeated mainly due to lack of decisiveness.

 

The Empire would defeat the Vong because the Emperor had a plan for everything. No doubt that production would be upscaled to outproduce the cursed coralskippers. The Empire was also adept at new technologies to overcome weaknesses ie. for TIEs came the interceptors and advanced. Just the size of the Imperial Navy would challenge the Vong.
Plus, as was mentioned before, the Empire would not wait around for debate of the threat. The Vong would have been through out of the Galaxy before they even got to Helska.

 

Yes, definetely yes.

DeathStar(s), Executors, Eclipses, Sun-Crusher and WorldDevastators were already being planned or in the making, long before the rebellion started to cause some trouble in the outer-rim (and even then Palpatine viewed them as insignificant. If not for the Ewoks, he would have been right).

About the exhaust-port of the DeathStar: I somehow doubt, that the Yuuzhan Vong have a force-user available, who could guide the magma-missiles in or that there is a Han Solo around, who covers the YV-pilots back from TIEs trying to vape him.

About the TIEs. While we have seen the best the New Republic has to offer in terms of fighters and pilots against second-rate fighters available to coastguard-equal sector-forces and petty warlords, we nearly never saw the best of the empire in action like the 181st fighter-squadron or TIE-Defenders and TIE-Advanced/Avengers.

And think about the progresses of the imperial warmachine in a timeframe of twenty years. Not to forget, that Palpatine seemed to have intended the creation of an intergalactic empire (DarkEmpire) and some of Vaders musings in the ANH-novel point in a similiar direction.

 

The Vong have among the best spys and sabotures the galaxy has ever know. If they concealed thier presence in the beginging, they could have easily gained the information on the Death Star.

Firing a proton torp isn't the only way to take out a death star. In "Rebellion" one option was sabotage and that source is "canon". Therefore it is very possible the Vong could simply sabotage the main reactor and die in the process which is a paltry cost for destroying a weapon like the DS.

 

As Kips said, the Empire would have...well, fared better than the NR because they would have been more united. I can't guarantee that they'll win though, esp. in the early stages. After all, the Empire is dealing with totally new technology.

Assuming the Empire did have all those superweapons, most of them would not have been useful. Superlaser shots, resonance torpedoes, and Galaxy Gun shots would have been useless because the Vong vessel would simply open a black hole and suck the whole thing down. The only effective way to use those superweapons would be to engage the Vong fleet and use splinter shots to tire out the dovin basals. Needless to say, World Devastators would not have worked either; they'd probably end up getting smashed themselves.

Centerpoint would be the best superweapon to use, but the Empire probably didn't even know about it. Even if they did, they might not have had an Anakin Solo to activate it, though Darth Vader probably could have.

So the Empire would have relied on the ol' Star Destroyers. Of course, it has more Super and Eclipse-class vessels, so it probably would have had a better chance as opposed to the New Republic, who had a navy half the size of the former Imperial Navy stretched out over an area equally as large.

 

So let me see if I am reading this right.

Huge Galactic Empire that could not defeat a small band of rebels would fare better against the Yuuzhan Vong?

Riiiiight.

 

Kier_Nimmion, yes that are what they are saying. The Rebels were geurillas & saboteurs the Empire could never get their hands on them with the full strength they had, thousands of time the power of the New Republic during the Black Fleet Crisis. Not too mention the Yuzzhamn Vong fought convientally and so did the Empire. The Empire could of surronded the invasion path with a few Sector while the Empire pumps thousands oh capital ships into the region. The slaughter would be unimagineable. Palpatine was paranoid, the Su[perweapons were not for the Rebels but for the off Galaxy threat which he knew was coming as pointed out by the EU. The Empire easily takes this victory by sheer force, conviental tactics, and destroying the Vong before thy've managed too get a toehold.

 

In reply to an above post, I really doubt any of the Imperial superweapons would be deterred by dovin basals.

The Death Star blast, for example, is easily the width of 4 or 5 Star Destroyers. No dovin basal would be able to absorb any significant amount of that, so that's a point to the Empire.

The Sun Crusher torpedoes are meant to destroy star systems, not single ships. I doubt dovin basals or any form of Vong defense would withstand a shockwave with the force of a supernova.

The Galaxy Gun missiles are likewise too large to be swallowed entirely by single dovin basals, and in the unlikely event that dovin basals were successful against the first few missiles, the next round would be programmed to explode before they hit their targets, and the molecular breakdown caused by the subsequent explosion would reduce whatever the target was to scattered atoms.

 

What if the Vong had decided to conquer the GFFA, oh, say... around the time of ANH or ESB...

Empire vs. Vong and Rebels?

- The Imperial Ewok

 

So lets assume the empire defeated the rebels at yavin, the empire would of kicked the vong out of the galaxy

Axl.

 

Hmmm, let's see . . . shieldless starfighters with only two laser cannons at best and not even missile capable . . . I don't think so!

 

Excellence, remember the power of numbers. Numbers that make even the Vong look underpopulated.

As for the shieldless/poorly-armed comment, that's merely the standard TIE Fighters. Interceptors are quite formidable, and I won't even start on the Avengers and Defenders. Also, even the original TIE Fighter could fly rings around an X-Wing. Quite the maneuverable type. Skips are only slightly ahead X-Wings themselves.

 

Excellence, oh sure lets conviently forgot sheer numbers and the thousands maybe millions of ISDs the Empire would have have. Nevermind full 20,000 Gigaton KE Turbolaser salvos per broadside & the numerical advantage = alot of dead Yuzzhan Vong. The Yuzzhan Vong relied on superior numbers. This main advantage which they relied heavily on would not have even been an advantage, and most defintely a disadvantage. And if the Rebels lost at Yavin the Empire probably would of used shielded starfighters probably advice by Thrawn which the Emperor would take. Also, lets not forgot the shielded X-Wings of the NJO explode anyway with shields. Then also the empire would deploy massive numbers of starfighters aganait the Yuzzhan Vong. For Palpatine was paranoid and wouldn't of given the scum a chance.

 

I was thinking more of the Rebels playing the role of Peace Brigade...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

The rebel will then be sacrificed by the YuuZAHN Vong just like the Peace Brigades.

 

Hmm... now there's a pun I'd forgotten about...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

My counterside to some comments above. Please hi-light reply, as they apply for Force Heretic: Remnant plot spoilers

One plot in Remnant has the New Rep coming to the aid of the Empire when the Vong assault it.

So I don't think, while the Imps have the muscles, they can really hold their own.

As for the comments about Impstar firepower, look at the NJO books thus far, please. Every second or third New Rep warship is an Impstar, and see how often they are gutted nonetheless.