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Count Dooku: Could he be turned back????

Discussion in 'Archive: Attack of the Clones' started by jengafett, Dec 9, 2004.

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  1. jengafett

    jengafett Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Has anyone else noticed that there is a very strong chance that Dooku wasn't 100% sure in his Sith ways. I think if attempted properly, he could be turned back to the Jedi.
    Clues at goodness:

    1. When Jango shoots the Jedi. Dooku looks a little upset before looking back.
    2. Jango's death. Dooku looks upset.
    3. Dooku is nervous about facing Yoda, his old master.

    This is addresed in Yoda: Dark Rendesvous. I think that Dooku is really disalluisioned. Who thinks he could of been turned?
     
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  2. gbonkers

    gbonkers Jedi Youngling star 2

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    It is possible. Remember, the Sith deal in lies and deception, and if Anakin could've been redeemed why not Dooku?(it is unlikely, though)
     
  3. CountessYnaAda

    CountessYnaAda Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I think he could, heck, I'm hoping he does. He's one of my favs!

    Dark Rendesvous was kind of sad in a way. Good book.
     
  4. Frank1212

    Frank1212 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Imagine Count Dooku in ROTS, about to turn back to the light side, until he is forced to duel Anakin. Dooku, being restrained, is horribly slain in gruesome fashion by Anakin. And of course Palpy is in the background cackling wildly.
     
  5. Moleman1138

    Moleman1138 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Christopher Lee's two fantasy characters Dooku and Saruman are so alike. They're corrupted by a higher power, charismatic and a force to be reckon with. I think he could if Sidious didn't have him so tightly wrapped around his finger.
     
  6. thecleric007

    thecleric007 Jedi Master star 4

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    Hmm...could be possible. However, I doubt they really have the time in the movie that could be devoted to making it work, since it will be rather busy making Anakin become Vader and all.

    Perhaps somewhere in the EU. Since it's their job to fill in the gaps.

    And of course, have their canon-ness debated forever.





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  7. Moleman1138

    Moleman1138 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That's one good thing about EU, the impossible can happen that can't happen in the films. It WOULD give Dooku another side of character to feel sorry for him.
     
  8. openmind

    openmind Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think its too late for Dooku. He was chosen (by Sidious) as he's already turned but made to look like he has some soft spot(to the prevailing Jedi) being a former Jedi.

    Im very sure, his use was to make it look like the Jedi have really lost touch with themselves and badly at that. Having him lead Separatists, and now that the Separatists are considered the "bad guys", is a huge boost to disarming the Jedi totally.

    One more significant ruse will dispel any respect the Jedi have been having. Since Im spoiler free, Im not sure what exact ruse it will be.
     
  9. Count_of_Dooku

    Count_of_Dooku Jedi Youngling

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    "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny."

    They could have tried to turn him back but I don't think Dooku would have gone along with them, he seemed that he was enjoying himself as a sith.
     
  10. MYMUTHAZ

    MYMUTHAZ Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    if Dooku turns back to the light side it would totally take away from Anakin's redemtion.
     
  11. jengafett

    jengafett Jedi Padawan star 4

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    he wont be turned back, but could he have been, if they'd put in the effort to try???
     
  12. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think Qui-Gon could've turned him back, yeah..
     
  13. Moleman1138

    Moleman1138 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Interesting idea Darth Boba, maybe we could see some pre-saga EU with the two. The dark side doesn't always dominate destiny completely. Anakin turned back from the dark side.
     
  14. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yeah, and Anakin was under the Dark Side for nearly twice as long as Dooku when he turned back.
     
  15. Latorski

    Latorski Jedi Master star 4

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    Could he be turned back????

    Why bother? Just let a Jedi kill him and be done with it.
     
  16. Jedi_Master_Jay

    Jedi_Master_Jay Jedi Youngling

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    i agree that he may come close to turning back, but redeeming Dooku would really cheapen the throne room scene in ROTJ. That should remain the high point of the entire saga. Luke turning Vader back to the light.
     
  17. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I think it is nearly impossible to turn back from the dark side. Here's why:

    I've come to think of turning to the dark side like selling your soul to the devil. If you choose to go there, you will lose your soul. It will die. Your intellect will be intact, but you'll lose every trace of real emotion, because that's basically what I think the soul is.
    "What about anger?", you might think. "Vader is angry sometimes. Isn't that emotion?"
    Yes it is, but the emotions that Vader experiences are invoked by the dark side, to protect itself from any threats. Whenever someone gets in the way of Vader's dark side ambitions, he will get angry and lash out against that person. It's a defense mechanism that has nothing to do with what Vader really feels, because the truth is that he can't feel anything(emotionally). Intellectually, he is in full control, but emotionally, he's a machine. The dark side has replaced his soul.
    That's what I think the conflict within Vader in ROTJ is all about. His soul is coming back to life and is struggling to get on top of the dark side. It's a battle between the dark side and the free will(therefore, it's also quite understandable why Anakin looks young when he shows himself to Luke. His soul is just 23 years old. That's another topic, however).
    I think very few people would be able to win that battle and even Anakin wouldn't have succeeded if he hadn't seen Luke suffer like he did.

    "So what about Dooku's emotions? Aren't they real?"
    I think Dooku's brief displays of emotion are mostly echoes from the days when he and the Jedi were friends. He still remembers those days as joyful, but he doesn't really feel emotion. It's all in his head.
    Also, the dark side is deceitful. It's now in Dooku's nature to try to fool the Jedi into thinking he is sympathetic.
    Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the way I interpret it right now.
     
  18. DarthLazious

    DarthLazious Jedi Youngling star 4

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    No Dooku can not turn back to the light.
    Anakin could turn back because he is the Choosen one.
     
  19. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    There's nothing to suggest to me that Dooku would ever want to turn back.

    While he certinaly seemed to have a few notions of "honor," so did Vader in ANH, if you'll remember. You might consider the Emperor's over-elaborate traps to be along these lines as well (why didn't he have the Imperial Navy actually attack the Rebel fleet once they had surrounded it?). Even Maul, in his quiet loyalty, seemed to display a kind of adherence to principaled living that one might not expect from a villain.

    The point being, that's part of what being a bad person is. Still a person. He's not going to be completely depraved just because he's evil. And by the same token, he's not good just because he has one admirable/noble quality about his behavior.
     
  20. JediMasterChiefYoda

    JediMasterChiefYoda Jedi Master star 3

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    While I feel it is a remote possiblity for Dooku to be turned back to the light side, I'd bet my bottom dollar that Palpatine is so wrapped up in Dooku's mind to know when he's tempted and is able to rip away such thoughts. Palpy would also know when (if) Dooku'll turn back and would kill him on the spot. Remember, Dooku knows way to much. He knows who Darth Sidious is, Dooku knows his plots, and his secret Sith lairs. If he were to begin to convert back, he'd die, and I don't think his death will help him in his political ambitions.
     
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