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Lit Dark Empire Trilogy will be re-released on March 23.

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Binary_Sunset, Feb 26, 2021.

  1. Binary_Sunset

    Binary_Sunset Force Ghost star 5

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    The Dark Empire Trilogy will be re-released on March 23.

    It includes:
    STAR WARS: DARK EMPIRE (1991) 1-6
    STAR WARS: DARK EMPIRE II (1994) 1-6
    STAR WARS: EMPIRE'S END (1995) 1-2
    STAR WARS HANDBOOK (1998) 1, 3
    MATERIAL FROM STAR WARS TALES (1999) 8, 11, 16-17


    Does anyone know what the bolded items above are? I'm in the dark.
     
  2. KirKanosForever

    KirKanosForever Jedi Grand Master star 2

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  3. callmesteam

    callmesteam Jedi Master

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    Handbook #1 was missed out of the Rogue Squadron Epic so is here as a catch up.
     
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  4. WarmNyota_SweetAyesha

    WarmNyota_SweetAyesha Host of Anagrams & Scattegories star 8 VIP - Game Host

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    This may be a duh! question but are they released as originally in comic/graphic format or is it what I might call an omnibus or bundle where they're novelized and/or rleased in a single volume? That is to say, the contents of all 3 are included but instead of having to buy/borrow 3, you just need 1?
     
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  5. KirKanosForever

    KirKanosForever Jedi Grand Master star 2

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    We're discussing New Republic Epic Collection v5.
    https://www.cheapgraphicnovels.com/product.php?productid=72392&cat=4168&page=1
    It has all the contents listed in the first post
     
  6. WarmNyota_SweetAyesha

    WarmNyota_SweetAyesha Host of Anagrams & Scattegories star 8 VIP - Game Host

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    Oh that is awesome!
     
  7. fett 4

    fett 4 Chosen One star 5

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    I like DE1 less so about 2 and EE
     
  8. TripleZero

    TripleZero Jedi Knight star 1

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    I know the art style is a point of contention for some people but I like the gritty feel that it has. While I always thought bringing back the Emperor undermined Vader/Anakin's sacrifice at the end of RotJ, I found myself quite engaged with how the story unfolded. Dark Empire II and Empire's End are total schlock, but I think it's beautiful, glorious schlock, and would gladly reread the trilogy in its entirety.
     
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  9. Tython Awakening

    Tython Awakening Force Ghost star 4

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    The art style has always been in contention. Anything written by Tom Veitch has drawn love and adoration and ire at the same time. Tom has written challenging material.
     
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  10. Binary_Sunset

    Binary_Sunset Force Ghost star 5

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    I love the art of Dark Empire and Dark Empire II (but not of Empire's End). It is my favorite Star Wars comic book art. I particularly like the watercolor planets and, secondarily, the technology. Cam Kennedy is awesome.
     
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  11. KirKanosForever

    KirKanosForever Jedi Grand Master star 2

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    I enjoy Dark Empire (and I've already pre-ordered this collection), but man, I'm hoping this release means Crimson Empire is coming up soon/next in the NR Epic Collection line. It's one of four Star Wars ECs I'm breathlessly waiting for.
     
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  12. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    I am very keen for this. Love the story, not a massive fan of the art.
     
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  13. fett 4

    fett 4 Chosen One star 5

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    I re-read Dark Empire not to long back and I actually thought it held up well (DE1 anyway) . It had a great scope that say say Zahns Trilogy didn't. I can see why Lucas liked it.
    In this story Lando is a successful General unlike in Heir where he's given the reset button back to being a gambler running a Gas Mine again. He even has a ship called the Lady Luck :rolleyes: DE also gave a good reason why Palpatine wasn't to bothered if Luke was to strike him down in RTJ. I always thought watching RTJ, ok so Luke turns to the Darkside killing you, but you'll be dead so it won't matter :confused: This actually answered that problem.

    It would've worked so much better if they had kept with the original of a year later rather than 7 years simply because they were accommodating Zahn. Though I get why as both stories had baby plot lines.
    Side note Zahns trashing/dismissal of DE in Vision of the Future was uncalled for imo.
     
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  14. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    Yeah I really like DE 1. I find it a great comparison to TRoS, since Palpatine's return affects the galaxy and the heroes.

    Yeah Zahn's childishness with regards to Dark Empire makes me REALLY not like him.

    I wish lucasarts had shown him the door when he refused to do a DE adaptation (which is what he was hired to do).

    DE is the start of the EU.
     
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  15. fett 4

    fett 4 Chosen One star 5

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    Whats the Lucas Arts story I've not heard that one ?
    Its known Veitch and Zahn had disagreements, which both have admitted too, but I always thought it was due to both having baby plots for there stories and in the end they went with Zahns

    TroS urghh that was JJ ripping off his own show ALIAS for that one. I like to pretend the whole sequel Trilogy doesn't exist.
     
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  16. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    I just meant the lucas group and didn't know the name.

    So Zahn was hired to write the novelisation for Dark Empire. But he thought it was dumb and refused. He then got them to go with his idea (thrawn).
     
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  17. fett 4

    fett 4 Chosen One star 5

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    Wow:eek: I didn't know this. So Zahn said no to DE as he thought it was dumb but he is also the same Zahn would latter do a Terminator Salvation novel, so I guess he didn't think that was dumb [face_thinking]
    And like you said he's lucky he wasn't shown the door. If you're hired to do a job and don't do it then normally you're fired.
     
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  18. Gallandro007

    Gallandro007 Jedi Master star 1

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    I've not read them, although I know the basic outline.

    Thank god they went with the Thrawn Trilogy as it least that was mostly universally loved.

    Dark Empire sounds like it would have been as divisive as TROS if it had been the direct follow up to ROTJ.

    The Thrawn Trilogy saved Star Wars as it was a hopeful introduction to our heroes. Also with great new characters.

    I loved TROS though so I think it worked out well that we got them in the order we did.
     
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  19. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Any evidence to back up this baseless speculation?

    Maybe read it before you make a judgment?
     
  20. QuinlanSolo

    QuinlanSolo Jedi Knight star 1

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  21. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Force Ghost star 4

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    It depends. Back in 1991-92 things really didn't become "divisive" like they do today. The attitude and mentality of fandom was substantially different - it wasn't as factionalized, wasn't quite the perpetual pile of dry twigs waiting for the next spark to set it off. Not that DE wasn't controversial in its way, but as a general rule the fandom as a whole just tended to handle that sort of thing a little better.

    Today, though? I've argued before that the ST "backlash" provides some evidence that fandom looks at DE through heavily nostalgia-tinted glasses. Not that I necessarily want to open a door to more ST bashing in this thread, but as a thought experiment imagine we can look into an alternate universe where the ST didn't happen and DE is released in 2019. What would the fan reaction to DE look like?

    On a different note, I love DE and DEII for unabashedly nostalgic reasons and I can't wait to own them in print again. It's been far too long.
     
  22. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    A straight film adaptation of Dark Empire, with the cinematography somehow maintaining the feel of Cam Kennedy's art, would be the greatest thing ever. This fan would react to that extremely positively. Not sure how it would have been possible in 2019 with the ages of the actors, but it certainly would've been possible in 1992.
     
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  23. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    If we're talking pure fantasy film making then Dark Empire by Denis Villeneuve with Roger Deakins on cinematography.
     
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  24. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Depends if we're talking in a context where the prequels exist or not.

    The biggest criticism levied at Dark Empire tends to be "they brought back the Emperor, which invalidated Vader's sacrifice", which is only remotely relevant as a complaint in the aftermath of the PT recontextualision of Star Wars.

    Before the PT there was no wider significance to Vader casting down Palpatine beyond a man turning his back on evil and saving his son. I suppose you could also argue that insodoing he saved the Jedi, as Luke was the last scion of their ways and destined to restore them, but that isn't negatively impacted by Dark Empire either. It's ultimately just another trial Luke overcomes.

    I'm certain you'd always find some people adamantly opposed to bringing back a deceased villain, because there are those that hate every instance of it on principle (as "lazy storytelling" and so on), but I don't think it'd have been a hugely divisive issue in a universe where Star Wars was still understood to be the continuing "adventures of Luke Skywalker", first and foremost.
     
  25. Jid123Sheeve

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    Honestly I feel like (Much like a hypothetical good Comic book adaption) something animated would really capture the feel of Dark Empire than live action.

    The art is part of the story....and the art of the First Dark Empire is bizarre and weird that it makes the piece work that I think just a live action adaption.