Darth Bane

How powerful is this guy? as far as the greatest sith lords of all time where would you rank him? was he a good fighter? was he strong in the force.any help i would appreciate it thanks.

 

There's a short story by Kevin J. Anderson about him, in the now vanished Gamer Magazine. I haven't read it, but it's about him after the Sith destroy themselves.

 

I don't have much respect for Darth Bane. He's got a weird obsession with corrupting and murdering children.

Also he never completed his training though apparently was accepted as a true Dark Lord.

 

frow what i have read in the gamer issue and in the Wizard of the Coast Darkside Source book for the Star Wars RPG he was the one that established the Rules of on Master and one apprentice no more no less. He was fairly powerful I think since the rest of the sith listened to him for generations.

 

Darth Bane was from everything I observed a true believer in the Dark Side of the Force like Maul and seemingly unlike Palpatine until later in life.

He had some strange ideas about the Dark Side though that 2 Sith would be much more powerful than many because they'd be the only ones to draw on it, which is ridiculous.

I imagine he was less powerful than Vader but around Kun or Sadow's level

 

According to the RPG, the writers chose to make him a level 16 character(Jedi Guardian 4, Sith Warrior 2, and Sith Lord 10).

Naga Sadow was a level 14 character(Force Adept 4, Sith Acolyte 5, Sith Lord 5)

Exar Kun was a level 17 character(Jedi Guardian 9, Sith Lord 8)

Vader was a level 18 character, however he was level 1 fringer, a level 11 Jedi Guardian, and only a level 6 Sith Lord.

However there may be alternate stats for Vader in core rulebook...

 

Alas I lost my corebook and NJO sourcebook and wanted to post Luke's stats in the "SOS-Son of Skywalker" thread for discussion purposes

Could someone do that for me? *whistles* no one has to know

Its for uhh...academic purposes

 

Well, luke doesn't have stats in the NJO SB... His NJO stats would be in gamer #8, I'll try to get that for you later if I have the time(however I probably will not post all the stats, just the level information)...

I don't have the core rulebook however...

 

He had some strange ideas about the Dark Side though that 2 Sith would be much more powerful than many because they'd be the only ones to draw on it, which is ridiculous.
It's not that they'd be more powerful, but that they wouldn't be power hungery and form factions. There would be one master, one learner. The learner would learn all he could from the master, and wouldn't turn on him because of the power of the master.

 

According to the RPG, the writers chose to make him a level 16 character(Jedi Guardian 4, Sith Warrior 2, and Sith Lord 10).

Naga Sadow was a level 14 character(Force Adept 4, Sith Acolyte 5, Sith Lord 5)

Exar Kun was a level 17 character(Jedi Guardian 9, Sith Lord 8)

Vader was a level 18 character, however he was level 1 fringer, a level 11 Jedi Guardian, and only a level 6 Sith Lord.

However there may be alternate stats for Vader in core rulebook...

Those RPG stats are messed up. How could someone that could rip stars apart with power of his mind be less powerful than someone who need the help of other Sith (by holding hands and forming a circle) to unleash a Force strom big enough to burn out a tiny patch of forest? By all means, Sadow may not be that great a Sith Lord (read: he sucks as a leader), but are more powerful than either Bane and Vader in the ways of the Dark Side (Sith Alchemy, etc.).

 

To be fair, Sadow couldn't rip stars apart by himself it took the power of the sith superweapon he was in, which focused his powers...

However Darth Bane was able to move the beast moon of planet Onderon with only the force, so that the Atmosphere of Dxun and Onderan overlapped so he could cross over on one of those flying beasts.

 

However Darth Bane was able to move the Planet Onderon with only the force, so that the Atmosphere of Dxun overlapped so he could cross over on one of those flying beasts.

I'd question if Bane actually succeded in doing so or if he and those around him thought it was him who did so. Master Arca did explain that in Onderon's past the Dxun Moon would often get close enough for the two atmospheres to overlap. It was during these times that the winged beasts of Onderon crossed over to Onderon from the Dxun Moon. Perhaps Bane arrived on Onderon at a time when the Dxun Moon was about to get close enough for the atmospheres to overlap again and that natural event occured when Bane tried using the Force to pull the moon close enough to cross over on one of the winged beasts.

 

"I'd question if Bane actually succeded in doing so or if he and those around him thought it was him who did so."

There was no one around him, he was the only one there, he had been there alone for years studying the holocron, and absorbing the darkside energy well(see DSSB). Also, he actually did move the moon (excuse me), its in the story in gamer. The story made sure to explain that after years that onderan's moon had drifted too far from Onderan's gravitational pull, and was moving away from Onderan, and Dxun's orbit had changed to a point that it no longer ever overlapped atmosphere with Dxun anymore. Bane pulled it all back into allignment.

 

We're not allowed Ep. III spoilers in this thread, are we? I think these may impact somewhat on this question...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

I don't think so.
Just out of curiosity, how was the Darth Bane story? I missed that issue.

 

I really enjoyed it. It followed the details first set forth in the DSSB, and Secrets of the Sith, while completely expanding on it.

 

Ok, with that kind of an explination in place I can accept that it was indeed Bane moving the Dxun Moon with the Force.

 

Alas I lost my corebook and NJO sourcebook and wanted to post Luke's stats in the "SOS-Son of Skywalker" thread for discussion purposes

Could someone do that for me? *whistles* no one has to know

Its for uhh...academic purposes

Is this what you are looking for?

this is Luke's stats at the end of episode 6:

Male human Fringer 2/Jedi Gaurdian 7; Init+3 (dex); Defense 21 (+8 class, +3 Dex); Spd 10m; VP/WP 74/13 Atk + 12/+7 melee* (3d8+2/19-20, lightsaber) or +11/+6 ranged (3d8 or DC 15 stun, blaster pistol); SQ Force Point use as though three levels higher; SKywalkers get Force-sensitive feat free and ignore the "Force Level 1st" Prerequisite when selecting the force feats Control, Sense , and alter; bonus class skills (Repair), barter, deflect, (defense +1, attack -4, extend defense and attack); SV Fort +9, Ref +10, Will +5; SZ M; FP 4; DSP 3; REP + 5; Str 15, Dex 16,Con 13, Int 14, Wis 13, Cha 12. Challenge code E.

Skills: Astrogate +5, Climb +7, Computer use +5, Craft (Lightsaber) +5, Intimidate +4, Jump +9, Knowledge (Jedi Lore)+3, Knowledge (tatooine) +7, Pilot +13, proffession (Moisture Farmer) +4 Read/Write Basic, Repair +7, search +7, Speak Basic, Speak Huttese, Speak Jawa, Speak Shiriiwook, spot +7, survival +6, tumble +6.

Force Skills: Affect Mind +5, Empathy +4, Enhance ability +4 Farseeing+4, Force defense +4, Move Object +5, See Force +5, Telepathy +4.

Apologies if I posted alot of worthless stuf, I just bought the Core book and am trying my best to learn this RPG on my Spare time. It seem so wonderfully simple at times and then terribly complicated at others....

Hope that helps!
Blithe

Ps. If you want Lukes Stats at the beginning of the NJO I would gladly post them.

 

Brakiss could mess around with gas giants, and he was not more powerful than Vader! i daresay Vader could if he wanted to. Remember:

The power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Force

and

now I am the master!

 

Those RPG stats are messed up. How could someone that could rip stars apart with power of his mind be less powerful than someone who need the help of other Sith (by holding hands and forming a circle) to unleash a Force strom big enough to burn out a tiny patch of forest?

I've noticed there aren't many dark side Force powers used by Dark Jedi that would make them particularly tough opponents if they were up against large numbers of characters. For example, in the Tales of the Jedi comics, Exar Kun held the entirety of the Republic senate immobile. And in another issue, Sith Lord Naga Sadow used the dark side to drag solar flares from a pair of binary suns, destroying a fleet that was pursuing him. Where are these powers?
We deliberately chose not to include such powers in the game. Were they to exist in the game, darksiders could destroy entire planets or defeat entire cities at a time. That makes for a great epic story, but in games, where some level of balance is necessary, even with severe limitations, a character could probably use this ability several times in the course of his career. And that means that little or nothing could stand against such a character. There's nothing stopping you from creating these powers, if you like ? just be aware that they can be real campaign-enders.
(JD Wiker @ Jedi Counseling 12)

 

Thanks! The NJO stats are what I'm looking for but these will be most helpful as well!

In any case I think that Darth Bane moving the planet is one of those "epic story moments" that occasionally are just the will of the Force (in this case its dark side) and not actually something that the evil Sith themselves do.

Sadow, Kun, etc all have nifty Sith tools to aid them and so did Dooku....its a perogitive of the storyteller.

 

"In any case I think that Darth Bane moving the planet is one of those "epic story moments" that occasionally are just the will of the Force (in this case its dark side) and not actually something that the evil Sith themselves do."

Uh huh, even if Bane himself thinks about how he is using the force to move the moon within the story itself...

 

"It controls your actions"

"Partially but it also obeys your commands"

It is difficult to question truly where free will and the Force's will begins since the Force is made up of all things.

 

Thanks! The NJO stats are what I'm looking for

here ya go:

Luke Skywalker (beginning of the NJO)

Male human Fringer 2/Jedi Gaurdian 13/jedi maaster 3; Init +2 (dex); Defense 25 (+13 class, +2 Dex); Spd 10 m; VP/WP 116/12; Atk +21/+16/+11/+6 melee* (5d8+2/19-20, lightsaber) or +19/+14/+9/+4 ranged (3d8 or DC 15 stun, blaster pistol); SQ Force point use as though three lvl's higher; Skywalkers get free Force-Sensitive feat, and ignore the "Force lvl 1st" prerequisite when selecting the Force feats Control, Sense, and alter; Bonus class skill(repair0; barter; block; force secrets (Battlemind, Force defense); SV Fort +14, Ref +14, will +11,; SZ M; FP 9;DSP 1; Rep +9; Str 14, Dex15, Con 12, Int 15, Wis15, Cha 13. Challenge code H.

Skills: AStrogate+5, climb +7, computer use +8 , craft(lightsaber) +8, Diplomacy +5, Gather info +4, Intimidate +4, jump +12, knowledge (Jedi lore) +4, Knowlede polotics +6, Knowledge (Tatooine) +8, Pilot +14, profession (Moisture Farmer) +5 Read/Write basic, repair +7, search +7, sense motive +6, speak basic, Speak huttese, speak Jawa, Speak Shiriiwook, spot +8, survival +7, Tumble +8

Force Skills: Affect mind +11, Battlemind +8, Emapthy +10, Enhance ability +8, Enhance senses +6, farseeing +9, Force Defense +6, heal self +6, move object +10, See Force+10, Telepathy +7

Hope that does it,

oh, I see people say that "such and such Jedi is lvl. 19" I never saw a number like that..where are they getting it from?

Also, You seem to be a experienced RPG player, Do you think I should learn the RPG from someone else, or do you think Ill be able to pick it up by myself in time?

thanks,
Blithe

 

Its helpful to play a few games to get a feel for the rules or at least DM a few, you manage to get a feel better that way for how and what works