PT Darth Vader's Nooooooo

Now ROTS is my all time favourite star wars movie and one of my favourite movies. One thing I really never understood is the backlash against the "noooo" scene.
If we view it in the context of the situation, anakin was just put in the suit, he was informed that he killed the person he loved most and did all the nasty things for. It was all for nothing. Worst of all he killed Padme.
and he wasnt yet the darth vader of OT. they guy was just put in the suit and just coz there is a suit it wont change u as a person in few mins.. according to the movies years had passed when we saw the darth vader of OT. The anakin we saw upto then would have responded in a similar way in my opinion.
I think the problem arises because from the moment he was in suit the darth vader of OT came to our mind.

 

Yes, suit was on, James Earl Jones was speaking. People who already had an established view of the character as he is decades later were thrown off by him behaving as he would at that time, having lost everything.

I’ve never had a problem with the moment, myself. I also consider Revenge of the Sith to be the greatest Star Wars film.

 

It doesn't bother me at all, unlike his double "Noooo!" in the re-mastered ROTJ (it was so much more powerful when he picked Palps up in silence - that look before said all that was needed).

 

I think there's little point in analysing the way it reads on paper. The problem people had with it was in the staging & the performance. Both physically & vocally. To many it seemed laughably awkward. I recall laughter in the cinema in response to it each time I saw the movie. That's not the reaction Lucas would've been going for in such an important & tragic moment. The problem is, that kind of melodramatic "NNNOOoooo" is cliche to the point of being a parody. There are countless examples of that, one that springs to mind is the poor schmoe in Austin Powers who's about to be run over by the slowly moving cement roller. Gags like that & many others perhaps sprung to the mind of audiences when Vader let rip with his epic "No!". Maybe Lucas wasn't aware of that bcs as you say, on paper it reads like a perfectly reasonable reaction from Anakin. Still, on balance given all the laughter & mockery it provoked I think it was a poor choice. Pretty sure that with hindsight Lucas would've tweaked the scene a bit to get the reaction he wanted.

Yeah that's an abomination. Far FAR worse than the RotS scene.

 

It is off putting because it was fundamentally out of character as the character had been portrayed up to that point. Anakin didn't utter mournful negatives to the universe when Schmi died, he got angry and laid waste. If the scene of the Emperor telling Anakin of Padme's death had to be there, him quietly wrecking the room in a rage would have been more fitting. Same for the add in for the ROTJ. The original version of Vader's body language, looking from Luke, to the Emperor then to the Emperor again communicated all it needed to.

 

It was just goofy IMO. Something about the way it looked and sounded.

For me, it's the biggest crime of the prequel trilogy, taking that pivotal moment and making it accidentally comedic.

 

I can still remember seeing this moment for the first time nearly thirteen years ago and feeling like the following:



In all honesty, I feel it's a crucial moment not well executed. It will always bother me, but the rest of ROTS is more than good enough to make me get over it every time I see the film.

 

It probably would’ve been better to see Vader crushing everything and trying to kill Palpatine in a “YOU LIED TO ME!” move.

 

Falling to his knees in despair with his head bowed would've been far more dignified.

 

I think it's a powerful moment, colored with an appropriately unsettling irony in that the (re)introduction of Vader as his evil armored self is defined by a raw, pitiful, and unguarded emotion. Parody material is nowhere near being on my mind given the depth of Sith's character drama. But obviously people have different mileage about what takes them out of the experience. Fair enough. I have examples of that in Star Wars as well, but I'd have to go outside the PT forum to explain further so I'll leave it at that.

 

I think Lucas was going for a broken man + Frankenstein monster. Someone to be pitied since Lucas doesn't want to present evil in a seductive light.

With that said, perhaps Vader not saying anything and just trying to crush everything would've been more in character.

The No in ROTJ was definitely not needed, just like Luke's No in TESB which they added for the SE and then removed.

 

For me, everything in that scene screamed out Dr Frankenstein. From the laboratory/operating theatre to the way that Vader appears to stumble as he uses his new limbs for the first time.

I can understand some people having a negative reaction to that moment. For me, I found it to be quite a powerful moment.

I look at it as being the birth of Darth Vader. Newborn babies scream and thrash at their new world. Vader's reaction to the new world that he had created was a raw primal scream and a lashing out with the force.

 

I've seen ROTS 5 times in the theaters, I've never heard anyone laughing during that scene (including the casual crowds). I'm sure some did but maybe it wasn't really a universal reaction?

 

It's definitely one of the most trivial things that people complain about in not just Star Wars, but in all of fantasy. It's as trivial as criticizing Michael Gambon's Dumbledore for yelling at Harry for finding his name in the Goblet of Fire in the adaption of the fourth Harry Potter book.

There are plenty of problems with Revenge of the Sith, but this has never been one of them for me.

 

The "Noooo" was obviously meant to be mirror lukes "Noooo" from Empire.

I have never understood why people don't like it either but hey its become a cool meme.

 

In all the time I've seen ROTS in the theaters it's not at all a problem so clearly it's a segment of fandom for whatever reason latched onto this.

It seems to be one of those things that started after (I don't know how long) and then became a thing.

In 2004 the extra NO was added to ROTJ so that must have played a part in it.

It's like they forgot the NO that Anakin said when he stopped Mace.

So if someone laughs like crazy at this:



Then you're totally cool with it?

Kylo Ren's NO in TLJ must also induce howls of laughter for some.

 

It was dumb. It was corny. It was hilarious. In a film that pinnacles with such emotion and darkness it completely pulls me out of suspended disbelief, because no one screams "Noooo" with such clarity in real life. In comparison Luke's "nooo" scream is much more scratchy and visceral. He is not trying to say the word no; he is pouring out his despair and no is the only word that comes to his mind.

 

made sense to me.

fanboys: "but...but He's big bad Vader in the suit he can't show emotion"....whatever

 

It was terrible.

 

I always have too.. it's not that bad... AT ALL imo..

 

I have never found it comical. I think it's well done and Frankenstein-y and dark. I think it sounds a little cold rather than raw because of the mask..but I felt the emotion in there. I thought it was extremely sad.

 

It was bad. Not as bad as RotJ's inserted No, but it leaped over that thick line between drama and parody.

It really can't be compared to Luke's No. That was delivered and placed very effectively.

Just off the cuff, it might have been interesting to see a brief dynamic play out.
The crushing of the surrounding robots and equipment was great. It could have been extended to an explicit attack on Sidious as well. It would quickly prove futile as his life support system shuts down before even the first signs of force choke show on Sidious' face.

Vader falls to his knees and his life support systems resume. It becomes clear to him that he can't correct this by killing Sidious. At least not so directly. He realizes very quickly that not only does he have no one left in the entire galaxy, but no one left that cares about him as anything more than a weapon.

He tells Sidious something like "you've lost your leverage over me" and then, like Luke, quickly tries to kill himself by taking off the helmet, but can't because his robotic limbs immediately disconnect from his will and fall lifeless.

Sidious responds calmly "No. You are mine."

He can't kill Sidious and he can't kill himself. The fastest way to escape this hell now appears to be giving the Emperor what he wants. Kill the things that threaten Sidious as quickly and brutally as possible. Then perhaps Sidious will grant him death or at least discard him as an obsolete weapon.

 

Good thing this is Star Wars right?

For me, the "No" was the final time Vader was ever in a state of sadness and won't be until ROTJ, many years later. The only criticism I genuinely have is it could have used another take. Otherwise, it served it's point for over-dramatic effect. For Star Wars, this is acceptable.

For any other movie? Rest in pieces..

 

Exactly. And if in that scene the goal was for SW to be a goofy parody where nobody emotes with any realism, then they were successful. In most films despair is shown for the audience to feel empathetic for the perceived "real" emotions of the character while being fully aware that you are watching a fictional work.