Darth Vader's Sith eyes

In ROTS Darth Vader does not develope Sith eyes until after the massacre on Mustafar! My thoughts on this is that slaughtering your allies is a darker deed than slaughtering your enemies!(The Jedi) Which plunged Vader deeper into the darkside of the force!

Anyone else have an opinion?

 

We did not seen him when he slaughtered Jedi in the Temple, so we don't know if he had Sith eyes in there.My opinion is that he had.I don't think that Anakin considered Nute Gunray as his allie.I mean, he ordered assasination of Padme in AotC.Palpatine ordered Anakin to kill separatists leaders as soon as Anakin becamed his new apprentice, so he never showed any simpaty for them to Anakin.


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I agree to an extent that we didn't see Vaders eyes during the massacre at the temple (except where he kills the younglings) I'm not viewing it on a personal level to Vader, more on a Sith / human Level that to kill a allie is worse, thus consuming the Sith lord with the darkside!

 

I think that the "Sith eyes" consumed Vader because he had felt the true nature and power of the dark side. Allies or not, it doesn't matter who you kill. Once you embrace the maximum hatred of the dark side, the Sith eyes will consume you. People like Darth Maul had the Sith eyes regularly because he was basically the dark side. An immitation of the dark side, Vader was still developing. Once the Sith eyes took control, there was no revival.

 

That about Maul may be true, but there is an possibility that Sith eyes reacts differnetly with some species other than humans.Even though Darth Maul belongs to humanoid species he was still an alien.

 

I don't believe they react differently. A Sith's a Sith. Take Palpatine for example, before he unleashed his force lightning on Mace, his eyes were humanoid. After he had finished his lightning rampage, the Sith eyes were visible. Because he unearthed his deepest and darkest powers, the dark side consumed him completely. Yes, he was always an evil Sith Lord, but never had he used that amount of dark side power before.

 

The Separatists were never Anakin/Vader's allies

 

I'm of the mind that his eyes were still blue in the Temple, as he was not consumed by his hate yet. He didn't hate the Jedi that he killed in the Temple. Rather he was angry at them for holding him back. But he had intense hate for the Separatist Council, which is why we see his eyes turn yellow. And he has intense hate for Obi-wan after getting his limbs cut off. I think that once he had the mask on, his eyes turned yellow upon hearing that Padme was dead and it was his fault.

 

Have you noticed he cries as he kills them? As if he's disgusted by what he feels he has to do. Especially as he kills the last of the ones before Gunray, he bursts in an almost nauseous way. The first time, I thought it was the victim yelling in pain, but it's actually Anakin.

Also, there's one thing that has me puzzled: when watching ROTS in the theatre I distictly remember a scene where Anakin, after killing the Separatist council, is looking up on the faint light of the sun, shining through the Mustafar atmosphere, before the sun a few seconds later is completely covered by dark clouds. Is it me or is this scene absent from the DVD-version? I seem to miss that particular spot when I watch it at home.

 

Vader didn't have Sith eyes in raiding the Jedi Temple. As he walks on the temple, lights it up against the younglings, and takes Cin Drallig, he never has a deep hate for the Jedi, thus no yellow eyes. You can even make a case that he doesn't even hate the Jedi at all. Even when he faces off against Kenobi, he doesn't have Sith eyes until he's delimbed. The Sith eyes come about against the Sep council because he hated them when he was a Jedi, and the hate is magnified so much more as a Sith. Thinking about it now though, I think Vader should have had Sith eyes when he's staring down Kenobi after he says "this is the end for you, my master". Vader's face is filled with anger and hate at it's max. Perfect time for the Sith eyes, Lucas might have missed something there.

 

He cries because he knows that he is lost. He has gone too far and there is no turning back. Part of himself is telling him to stop and the other half says no.

It's there. I've seen it.

 

I have to say that he isn't as full of hate when he is in the Jedi Temple. He goes in not really wanting to do what he is about to do. He hesitates for a second before igniting his saber on the younglings.

The CIS leaders.....if the Jedi had won and Yoda told him to go to wipe out Viceroy Gunray and the others he would have been all over that. He truly hated them. There was no hesitation as he stormed the bunker...just cold hatred.

Carnage

 

Exactly. While it may seem that Vader is full of hate when he kills the Jedi in the Temple, that's just a front. The difference is telling yourself that you hate them and actually feeling that hate. At this early stage he knows he's supposed to be filled with hate, but all he really has inside is anger. Becoming Sith is not like a lightswitch, it took time.

 

In fact, watch Anakin when he goes to kill the Younglings. He doesn't do it right away. Not only does he employ a false front before igniting his saber, but he takes a moment to look at the kids before forging ahead and finishing it. He's screwing up his courage to kill children. By Mustafar, he's relishing the bloodshed.

 

I think mostly that when Anakin was sent to purge the temple, yes he was angry and within the darkside of the force, but that doesn't mean he fully unleashed his anger. Thats whats said in most of the movies right 'Unleash your anger, give into the darkside, be more powerful than you could ever imagine' kinda junk. Anakin was still remorseful when slaughtering the jedi, you can see it in his eyes when he kills the younglings. He feels like its a horrible thing to do but just gets back on with it to save Padme.

However, Anakins been waiting years to take the Seperatist down and get payback for the assasination attempt on his wife. He willfully kills them and demonstrates using his anger and hatred against them for the kick start.Thats why he has sith eyes in that scene, IMO.

 

During the fall of the jedi temple, like most people said, you could not see his eyes during this whole scene except in the council chambers and you could clearly see that his eyes were not like you see when he is on Mustafar. i think that is because he had not yet realized what he had done yet.

 

Maybe, but we also know that he could kept his eyes hidden in front of Padme when she came on Mustafar.So the fact is that no one knows did he had them or not in Jedi Temple.

 

Anakin/Vader hated the CIS and it's leadership, especially Gunray, who has tried many times to kill Padme. He didn't really hate the Jedi in ROTS, but he killed them anyways. He hates Obi Wan after he leaves him to burn to death on the lava river bank.

Sith Eyes Rule.

 

Anakin didn't hide his eyes. He just let go of his hate on Mustafar until he was injured. Besides, even if he did hide them, there's no reason to since he and the 501st wiped out everyone in the Temple.

 

Argh. How do you know this?
If that's the case then how did he train Dooku to do it? By showing him a textbook?

 

That wasn't my point. Palpatine unleashed his darkest feelings on Mace, resulting in the Sith eyes. He wasn't using it tamely, he was using his ultimate power. His hatred for the Jedi is portrayed quite clearly in this scene.

 

Darth Vader's Red/Yellow Sith eyes looked exactly like Darth Maul's eyes.

 

That's because they were both agents of the dark side. You don't get different brands of Sith eyes, they are always the same. Palpatine's Sith eyes were the exact same as Maul's, it's just a dark side occurance.

 

Remember also, that his eyes are different after he's done slaughtering them all. When he greets Padme on the platform, he has normal eyes again. But at the end of his fight with Obi, they change again.

So there is obviously something about when it happens that would seem important.

 

Yah, I don't think Anakin is filled with HATE as the emperor wants him to be. That's why his eyes change back and forth. The emperor has to disguise his eyes, as his soul is always is hate mode. But Anakin knows that the emperor won't like the fact that he can't keep his eyes yellow because he doesn't have 100% hate, so he decides to continue wearing the Darth Vader Helmet to hide his eyes instead of opting for a half-mask like Darth Malik.