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Darth Vader's True Mastery of the Force

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by ST-TPM-ASF-TNE, Jul 10, 2005.

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  1. ST-TPM-ASF-TNE

    ST-TPM-ASF-TNE Moderator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    This may be a stupid theory, but I'll throw it out there anyway. One thing I've noticed about force users in the movies is that they all seem to use hand movements to allow their force powers to work. Whether it be Obi-Wan using mind tricks or Dooku bringing the ceiling down on Yoda.

    However, I notice that Vader is different. He indeed uses hand movements when choking people, but one thing I've noticed about him that makes him stand out from everybody else in the films is that when he uses "force storm/rage/(whatever you want to call it)", he uses not physical gestures. In Revenge of the Sith, Vader's anger destroys the medical room without him purposely attempting to do so. In The Empire Strikes Back, Vader throws objects at Luke on Bespin and does so by simply standing there as the room gets taken apart. To me that shows Vader's power over other force users, how he can command the force apparently so easily, with little effort or strain on his part. He can command immense sums of force power without the slightest hand gesture.

    Again, this is likely a stupid theory, but its just a thought.
     
  2. DARTH-SHREDDER

    DARTH-SHREDDER Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Oh, but remember? Vader is a weak nothing after th suit. Remember he loses all his power? How dare you start a thread syaing that Vader in suit is more powerful than other force users. :eek:

    (I was being sarcastic, obviously)


    Well, we see Vader using hand gestures sometimes... I think it doesn't mean he's more powerful but it's more of an option. Like it's eaiser to ride a bike with training wheels but you definately ride without them.
     
  3. Violent Violet Menace

    Violent Violet Menace Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think it has got to do with focus. In all the other scenes we've seen of someone using the Force to do something, they are focusing on manipulating one single object or person, or at least focusing their power at a small area. But in both of those examples you mentioned, he is basically letting his power loose all over the room, and is in no hurry with the aiming. So he reaches out to his surroundings through the Force, until he feels something, and then grabs it. He then goes on to crushing it in ROTS and throwing it in ESB. There's also another example in ANH. He first points his finger to the neck of that faithless officer who is mocking him, so that he can focus on his neck. Once he's grabbed it and started with the choking, he can feel it, and just needs to continue holding the grip.

    I think that sounds fairly reasonable.
     
  4. PalpatineAntikristos

    PalpatineAntikristos Jedi Youngling star 3

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    When Palpatine uses a mind trick on Jar Jar in ATOC (see DVD commentary) he only says "hmmmm" but does not otherwise seem to move. I will grant that mind tricking Jar Jar may not be a great feat but also must say that his "hmmmm" way hypnotic. I would do his bidding.
     
  5. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    It seems the more powerful Force users can get by with little or no physical gestures. Vader does indeed nod his head just a bit when he attacks Luke on Cloud City with the object swarm that throws him out the window. Ben waves his hand a bit when using the mind trick on the Stormtrooper, and makes a tapping gesture when making a sound to distract the Troopers on the Death Star.
    Luke on Dagobah really had to point and concentrate to get the X-Wing out and he fails doing so. Yoda did as well, but he succeeded quite quickly. Size matters not, but I think that ideal only applies to can and can't. Heavier objects require more effort; with a wave of the hand Yoda causes the two guards to fall to the floor in ROTS.
    Vader had to point when flipping the switch in the carbon freexing chamber. This suggests that small, fine work needs a bit of precision.
     
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