Lit Dating the Zeffo

When did the Zeffo species rise and shine?

Especially their connections to Kashyyyk and Dathomir make me curious about their history. Did they control territory ranging from one to the other or rather only singular worlds in not connected territory, like the Rakatan Infinite Empire only homed in on Forcestrong worlds? We don't know anything about Zeffo travel or spacetravel methods and times! What we know is their use of Old Tongue runes along their own language pictographic script in their temples, which tells they intended to make non-Zeffo understand and read it and chose a universal language that must have been widely in use during their prime time. Especially as it is prevalent in and on many Forceusing cultures temples, be it Massassi, Sith, Jedi, etc. But when to date the Old Tongue (alias ur-kittat) which is a precurser to Sith kittat as well as Aurebesh and other scripts?

Could be the Zeffo used it before Aurebesh/Basic existed, or they used it after that existed but when it was not in common use yet as Basic and Aurebesh spread from the Core slowly Rimward along with the Republic expansion only.

The Zeffo definitely are post Rakata as the Rakatans were the Kashyyyk terraformers and the giant Origin Tree the Zeffo loved as well as their good relations to the Wookiees of their time seems to imply they were there after the Rakata.

Another unlikely idea is what if they are much younger, more like during the New Sith Wars active from when the Republic retreated coreward and before the Sith took Dathomir? The NSW as a time the Old Tongue runes spread far and wide or got popular again despite being much older may be interesting as due to Sith dominion many species may decide to use Sith runes or if not actual Sith but the Old Tongue instead as a second language to their own. The Zeffo fall and corruption to the Dark Side also may be interesting if set during a high time for the Sith who could have had their hand in Zeffo ruin. Though I favor their placement in far older times.

 

...Boy, that title led me in a totally different direction.

 

You havn't dated until you have dated a Zeffo gal. If you find them on your plenty of fish account message them immediately.

In all seriousness I'd have to go back and read that Jedi Fallen Order comic again to give any type of guess as they are largely confined to that comic and the JFO game.

 

@Sinrebirth Interesting call regarding the Pius Dea, they did end quite some other Alien nations in their Republic expansion and crusades. So why not? Especially since Zeffo look remotely like a certain Tor Valum (heck he could be a Zeffo-Neti crossbred strandcast thing for all I know to explain the differences!).

The Tree is the best indicator indeed, another I forgot to mention is that Dathomir had the Kwa on it until the Rakatan rise and the humans from it went via Tho Yor to Tython, or some of those. (Did the Kwa import humans and what for?) Well, so with the Rakata certainly checking out Dathomir given the Kwa were amongst their enemies like other major races of that time, it is unlikely for Zeffo to be before 25000 BBY.

That leaves at least the Zeffo times on Kashyyyk and Dathomir quite fixed for now, with their previous exploits on their other newly for them developed worlds possibly extending further backwards before 25000BBY.

That'd make the Zeffo one of the profiteers of the Rakatan fall and one of the few known Alien Empires in between Rakatan demise and Republican expansions. Like the Herglic Trade Empire. What others do we know of that are as old?

 

Could the Sith of 15000BBY have expanded far beyond the Stygian Caldera and held an Empire that touched upon the Zeffo's Dathomir holdings? That'd explain Zeffo use of Old Tongue/ur-kittat runes and the Sith spreading kittat far and wide without dominating the galaxy. The Old Tongue still has to be older than the Rakata, but that aside, Sith Kingdoms before the Exiles are intriguing.

As both Zeffo and Sith species draw heavily from egyptian motifs designwise, there may be some cultural overlap or shared technology in that era. And by extension, what does that tell us about Ossus? The Jedi already were there, far closer to the Sith and Zeffo than the Republic with its slow expansion. Jedi operated beyond the Republic often even (like in the canon High Republic charting ahead) and if the Sith Kingdoms expanded outwards or the Zeffo went conquering, wouldn't the Jedi of Ossus have known or found out about it? That may explain their vague Sith knowledge or contacts before the Exiles and any leads the Exiles used to find where those Sith went after the fall of these Kingdoms outside the Caldera.

While we have zero evidence, what is the most likely route for the Taung to take from Roon to Mandalore? Any favourite contenders? Especially if we can consider weak cultures along the way they walzed through, and stronger ones on the sideliens they tried to evade after some intermezzos?

Between Kashyyyk and Dathomir lies Mandalore space and major hyperlanes the Republic and Jedi used between Coruscant and Ossus... so Zeffo seem to not have had a connected Empire but one dotted like the Rakata. Maybe piggying back on old leftover tech of them that homed in on certain Forcestrong places for their Lifewind. The Jedi probably remained oblivious of Dathomir or any Sith Kingdom exploits reaching towards Yavin IV and Vjun between the hyperlanes and only noticed them when they went outwards towards the Tion.

The Taung might have left Roon via the Manda-Roon-Merchant Route towards Bothawui and come into conflict with Bothans and Llannik, maybe even right through the 23rd Pius Dea Crusade chaos in that region! And after Bothawui and Llannik towards Kashyyyyk, Togoria etc. and then into the Mandalore Sector. One heck of a trail with strong fierce fighter species... befitting the Taungs coda and challenge level! Also accounts for these strong species not being wiped out by them but rather fought and then left behind as they moved on, either driven off or choosing to continue the journey.

But maybe Zeffo had some worlds in Mandalorian Space given between Dathomir and Kashyyyk there is plenty of Mando worlds.

 

This race is a lot older than the jedi/sith which is told in any books that have the zeffo in them

 

Can you quote or find which one for me please? the comic? I originally assumed much older myself though that would only work for canon if loosing some Legends that canon already referenced like the Rakata.

 

Yeah i just got to look at m star wars books

 

Despite Ahsoka placing them (or at least knowledge of them) on Peridea, it's still not clear how much back-and-forth there was between galaxies, and when that stopped. At certain points it seems like charted space has somehow shrunk (the isolation of Peridea, the hyperspace tangling of the Unknown Regions).

Even if we know that the Nightsisters travelled to the known galaxy "before time was counted", the Zeffo may well have come along later. Plus, the Jedi seem to have known of Peridea and vice-versa. My guess is that the Zeffo collapse occurred within the first few thousand years of the Republic and Jedi.

 

I think the Zeffo and Nightsisters would be the prime force users around Dawn of the Jedi. You replace them with the sith. Like Kujet could be like Palpatine and Vitiate, in Dawn of the Jedi era and early Republic era. The first Dark Lord Emperor, maybe he was revered as a god. Nightsisters his allies and eventually his servents, Rakata under his leadership? He is revered by Nightsisters in both Galaxies.

 

Yes and New canon has the Republic 20 000 years instead of 25 000. So 5000 years of Jedi protecting the Galaxy without a strong Government. So it could be full of force religions and Wars among them and Jedi coming out as Victor after 5000. Also there's still 15 000 in Republic before the Sith and 10 000 with Republic before the Mandalorians. Rakata, Zeffo and Nightsisters as main rivals and villains.

 

The Zeffo could be the ones who brought the Nightsisters to Dathomare

 

Maybe a half-Zeffo given look differences? Though what is the other half? Neti? Ssither?

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What if it was the idea for Kujet, the dark lord.

 

I really thought this thread was about "dating" the zeffo

 

If you wanna date Kujet you first need to know when to find him and what satellite galaxy to take him out to.

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Be weird as they are pretty large

 

They'd be down if only they knew how good I'd be for them.