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Death of Coleman Trebor by Jango

Discussion in 'Archive: Attack of the Clones' started by BLUEJEDI3, Oct 17, 2002.

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  1. BLUEJEDI3

    BLUEJEDI3 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    A Jedi Master on the council is wasted in three shots like a punk by fett, what did everbody think of that? And Dooku never even did a thing, never even lit up his lightsaber to get ready to defend himself. This is a Jedi master that died bad with no respect. Then to add insult to injury fett gloats by doing the old west thing with his blasters. I wonder if Mace saw this and decided to fix Jango for killing a fellow member of the council, who says Jedi don't believe in a eye for a eye, not sure what the penality is for killing a Jedi Master on the council, but i'm sure the Jedi don't take kindly to that type of thing.
     
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  2. One-with-the-Force

    One-with-the-Force Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Coleman Trebor was only introduced in Episode II and wasn't important in the story. However, you're right. He did die rather simply.

    Dooku didn't ignite his saber because he shares the weakness of the sith: overconfidence. He knew Jango would help him.
     
  3. SmoovBillyDee

    SmoovBillyDee Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think a couple things are demonstrated with that scene. First, that Dooku commands a ton of respect, such that Coleman Trebor was much more concerned with Dooku than Jango. Second, it showed how formidable Jango really was, being able to take down a Jedi Master. I was alright with that scene.


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  4. -_-_-_-_-_-

    -_-_-_-_-_- Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    If you think about it, his death is somewhat theisable and understandable. He jumps down with his attention solely upon Dooku and does not expect Jango Fett to be there. Fett is the best bounty hunter in the galaxy, so naturally he would have lightning quick reaction time and be very accurate with his blasters. You must also take into effect his rapid fire blasters, as well as the distance between himself and Coleman Trebor. Being at such a close range, Trebor would have difficulty deflecting all of those blaster bolts while keeping some attention still on Dooku and the balcony ledge behind him. Once you think about all of these factors and come to a logical conclusion, the ease and quickness of his death is realistic.
     
  5. Melord

    Melord Jedi Youngling

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    I think its great. It shows that their are jedi that are weak and unprepared for battle, just like any fighting force. I thought it was appropriate that he died in such a way. Partly because I don't like his character for some reason.

     
  6. JMaNtK421

    JMaNtK421 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    From the Ep2 Visual Dictionary:

    "Count's gaze immobilizes weak minded individuals"

    Watch Dooku's face next time you watch it.
     
  7. Garth Maul

    Garth Maul Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Riiiight. And just any weak-minded simpleton can become a Jedi Master. Apparently.

    I don't think it was any trick of Dooku's, simply Coleman being confronted with 2 deadly enemies...perhaps just stunned for a second seeing Dooku in the flesh.

    Too bad...I thought all the Fett fanboys would be loving that scene. Wahhhh! Jango died like a punk! Yeah, but at least he took out a Jedi Master, gunslinger style.

    -dust
     
  8. JMaNtK421

    JMaNtK421 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    "simply Coleman being confronted with 2 deadly enemies...perhaps just stunned for a second seeing Dooku in the flesh."

    Exactly Garth, it's the stare and presence

    [image=http://jman.kus-numa.net/dooku.JPG]
     
  9. Punisher

    Punisher Jedi Master star 4

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    That scene was so wizard, Ani. :D
     
  10. arabiansanchez

    arabiansanchez Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Coleman Trebor was a sissy girl. Infact, that's an insult to the fairer sex coz there were women Jedi. Trebor was just over-confident,stupid and crap.
    (Oh, and he was immobolised by Dooku's stare, [face_laugh] ^)
     
  11. Lurking_Around

    Lurking_Around Jedi Knight star 6

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    [face_laugh] That pic of Dooku is scary! No wonder even Jedi Masters would die pathetic deaths after seeing the gaze! Beware his gaze, beware!!!

    [face_mischief]
     
  12. AAMD11

    AAMD11 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Count Dooku is the man, although if Coleman Trebor fought Count Dooku lightsaber to lightsaber, Coleman Trebor would whoop Count Dooku...............NOT!
     
  13. JediLeiaOrgana

    JediLeiaOrgana Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Hey! Watch that sissy girl remark arabiansanchez! ;)

    I found the scene very realistic. The fact that Trebor died because he was so focused on Dooku's... scary face... is highly feasible. Imagine if you had to look at that. :p

    Also, I think that Trebor was waiting for Dooku to attack him, and was watching Dooku closly to see when Dooku would go for his saber. He never saw Jango until it was too late.

    ~Jedi Leia~
     
  14. Darth48076

    Darth48076 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    BS... a jedi is aware of there surrondings. and plus That "rapid laser" story was bs too...

    becuase why is it that a Jedi Master can not deflect those blasts, but a "mere" jedi Knight can??? (watch the scene when Obi-wan RUNS towards Fett, and fett is blasting away)... I could've felt better with a couple laser blasts, then the Flame.... THat would've been better...


     
  15. KosmicKnine

    KosmicKnine Jedi Padawan star 4

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    It only takes one blaster shot to take out a clone/stormtrooper even with them wearing armor. Several shots hit Trebor, and even then he kept going; it took him falling off the balcony to take him out. To me, Trebor really doesn't seem much like a punk at all.
     
  16. Obi-Wan2001

    Obi-Wan2001 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Point your saber handle towards Dooku before igniting it, Coleman. Saber fires up through the Count, and the war could've ended right there. :D
     
  17. MobartZmuda

    MobartZmuda Jedi Padawan star 4

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    That scene would be understandable if it were just some random Jedi Knight or Padawan even. But Trebor was not only a Jedi Master--he was on the Jedi Council!!! The guy could only deflect two blaster shots??!! WTF! Obi-wan was a Padawan in TPM, yet he could deflect the Destroyer Droids rapid fire. Fortunately Trebor was a newbie Council member and not a fan fave like Plo Koon or Eeth Koth--I would have left the theater right then if one of those two were gunned down like punks by Mr. Pathetic himself.
     
  18. Ewan-Kenobi

    Ewan-Kenobi Jedi Knight star 6

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    Apparently you all don't get that people can be on the council without passing the advanced lightsaber quiz. ;)

    The members that are there are there because of their skills of the mind, not body. Usually they're hand and hand with Jedi,but not all the time. Remember, many other council members died that day.

    Obi-Wan was no mere padawan, he was even then more powerful than his master Qui-Gon, and according to his master 'much wiser' even though Qui-Gon 'could' have been on the council.



    "who says Jedi don't believe in a eye for a eye?"
    .....ANYONE with the slightest bit of understanding of what a Jedi is????? ;)
     
  19. Garth Maul

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    I agree, Ewan, though I wouldn't go that far. Qui-Gon was praising certain aspects of Obi-Wan's personality, I don't think he was saying that Obi-Wan was ready to be on the council or anything.

    Uh...and I agree that the Council members would likely be known for their philosophic/diplomatic/empathetic/telekinetic skills rather than combat skills; I thought Mace was supposed to be the exception.

    Plus, when was the last time the Council had to actually get up off their Holy butts and fight?

    I think Coleman did rather well to deflect any of those shots; you take the person you KNOW is a threat: Jango. If you're not sure whether or not Dooku is going to attack you, then leave him for second, and focus on Jango.

    Mace didn't make that mistake. Trebor did. That's combat experience, not Jedi skill or skill in the Force.

    It's like a video game: when you get to a new level, you move as quickly as possible, presenting a moving target, so you're not a sitting duck.

    Plus, that was one of the all-time greatest deaths...surpassed only by Jango's decapitation.

    -dust

     
  20. Sebulba-X

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    One of the first things I realized after watching AOTC was that we, as fans, were spoiled by the power of the best of the best Jedi (Luke, Vader, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gonn (sorta, he did get waxed), Yoda)...These guys were a few standard deviations above the normal Jedi...hence why the rest were getting killed all over the galaxy pre-AOTC. Trebor may have had the skillz to become a Jedi Master, but he's no Yoda or Ben Kenobi.
     
  21. DarthBoba

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    Yeah, combination of Dooku's stare and Jango's reaction time.

    As for Obi-Wan being able to deal with Jango and Trebor not, the answer is twofold: Obi-Wan's got a much better tactical situation-he only has to think about Jango, and getting him down. Trebor has to think about 1) a very powerful Sith Lord immediately in front of him, 2) the balcony ledge behind him, and 3) Jango. Not a good situation to go leaping into.
    As for the second part: Obi-Wan is just more powerful..IMO.
     
  22. MobartZmuda

    MobartZmuda Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "The members that are there are there because of their skills of the mind, not body"

    Watch the scene over again, my friend. All that is shown is Trebor's prowess with the "body", not the mind.

    Let's look at the facts:
    a) Trebor attempted to make an attempt to attack Dooku and Jango by himself, which obviously means he *thinks* he's strong enough to take on the two with his "body"

    b) Trebor attempted to attempt to block Jango's blaster shots with his lightsaber--a skill of the "body", not mind.

    If Trebor was really skilled in the "mind", shouldn't he be able to "force pull" Jango's gun to him or "force push" Jango to the floor or at least demonstrate some kind of "mind" powers.

    Coleman "the worst Jedi ever" Trebor sucks!!

    edit: If Coleman had so much to "worry" about, why did he even jump up on the balacony? This is almost as idiotic as Jango jumping down to the arena to confront Mace "bada$$" Windu.
     
  23. MobartZmuda

    MobartZmuda Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "Obi-Wan's got a much better tactical situation-he only has to think about Jango, and getting him down"

    Aren't you forgetting about Slave I? Boba fired several shots at Obi-wan--when he didn't even have his lightsaber. Obi-wan had a much more difficult situation. Trebor could have teamed up with, I don't know, maybe one of the other 200 Jedi in the arena to try to take on a former Jedi and the galaxies most feared bounty hunter. Trebor deserves his penultimate-pathetic death (it's not worse than Boba's) because he is an idiot!
     
  24. DarthMandarb

    DarthMandarb Jedi Master star 2

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  25. Jedrek

    Jedrek Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Watching Coleman be shot like that was the first time in the prequels I truly felt bad for a side character dying - sort of the same feeling I felt for the rebel pilots that were blown during the Yavin Battle, you know? I didn't feel that way for the Naboo pilots in TPM, but for some reason, I felt bad for Coleman.
     
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