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Did Dooku let Anakin win?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by StarWarsFan1989, Sep 14, 2010.

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  1. StarWarsFan1989

    StarWarsFan1989 Jedi Youngling

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    Did Dooku let Anakin win in ROTS? I know he looked surprised when Anakin cut his arms off but did he let him win or did Anakin really overpower him?
     
  2. FalorWindrider

    FalorWindrider Jedi Knight star 4

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    Good god, not every victory by the heroes is an elaborate gambit by the villains. I think its the latter and Anakin legitimately beat him.
     
  3. anakin_girl

    anakin_girl Jedi Knight star 6

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    Anakin fought differently than he did in AOTC. He was more methodical and less impulsive and rash. Yes, I think he genuinely did win.
     
  4. Jedi Gunny

    Jedi Gunny Chosen One star 9

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    Anakin was that good, and he overpowered Dooku in the fight. Dooku was rather arrogant, mind you, but losing the duel and his life was not his plan.
     
  5. Gary_Buchenara

    Gary_Buchenara Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Sidious' Sith speciality was throwing fights to Jedi and he had no doubt tutored his apprentice in this dark art...
     
  6. BoromirsFan

    BoromirsFan Jedi Master star 4

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    I always wondered why he didn't use Force Lightning or Hyper speed dueling like he did against Yoda
     
  7. Manisphere

    Manisphere Jedi Master star 5

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    I think Dooku was keeping up until he mentioned the all that anger that Anakin had that was "unused". After that Anakin cut loose and the sheer force of his attacks just overpowered Dooku. He was shocked. He had a huge ego and probably never lost to anyone. Twice the pride double the fall indeed.
     
  8. BoromirsFan

    BoromirsFan Jedi Master star 4

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    anyone know why dooku could fight so fast in Aotc but not ROTS? Did he become weaker? Personally everyone in the Dooku duel from Ep II fought better in the Dooku duel EP III minus the Yoda Fight.

    In actuality, Yoda fought like a slug against palpy, and dooku didn't go hyper, but made a far more satisfying duel than the nonsense duel in AOTC.
     
  9. FalorWindrider

    FalorWindrider Jedi Knight star 4

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    Also, keep in mind that Dooku's style wasn't actually a great answer to the sheer ferocity of Anakin's swordsmanship. I mean, it's no surprise one of the only people to regularly stand toe to toe, on even ground, with Dooku, was Mace Windu, whose entire style was based upon focusing and harnessing unstoppable rage. The other was, naturally, Yoda, the guy who trained him.

    Anakin simply beat him down. Obi-Wan's passive style, while AWESOME against a horde of blasters or a blade spammer like Grevious, didn't really protect him from getting skewered by Dooku.
     
  10. Gary_Buchenara

    Gary_Buchenara Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Yeah, if there's one thing the PT shows it's that when it comes to dueling, there's definitely a "horses for courses" situation going on. If Anakin can harness his anger, as against Dooku the second time, he's formidable, but when his anger starts taking control of him, he's vulnerable, as against Kenobi.
     
  11. DRush76

    DRush76 Jedi Master star 4

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    Dooku lost. It was simple as that. When he fought against Anakin, the latter was using his anger and aggression in a controlled manner. That is why he proved to be a formidable opponent. When Anakin fought against Dooku in AOTC, and against Obi-Wan on Mustafar, his emotions were beyond his control. Obi-Wan still managed to have great difficulty against an emotionally out-of-whack Anakin. If Anakin had been more in control, who knows how that duel would have ended?
     
  12. Manisphere

    Manisphere Jedi Master star 5

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    I think Dooku would have still won that first duel. In AotC he just seemed to have a more developed technique than Anakin posessed. He was a seasoned duelist and this was Anakin's first real duel with another Jedi. I think he pulled himself together quite well after his initial shock from the Sith lightning. He looked quite focused in the close ups but Dooku stripped him of one lightsaber then eventually cut his arm off. But then we all agree that Dooku had badly underestimated how badly outmatched he was with Anakin in ROTS.
     
  13. Dark_Paoki

    Dark_Paoki Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Dooku's goal was his own profit....He doesn't seem to be such a "devoted" Sith, to sacrifice himself for his master...Death=No profit...

    Infact, I think that If he knew who Palpatine was, he would give him to Anakin, right after his loss. I was always under the impression that Dooku knew, so I was really surprised that he didn't speak before losing his....head.
     
  14. mjerome3

    mjerome3 Jedi Knight star 6

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    The duel shows clearly that Anakin was too much for Dooku. Anakin defeated him rather unquestionably.
     
  15. jedislayer5000

    jedislayer5000 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    it was originally the plan for dooku to kill obi wan elimenating him from the picture to makes anakins turn to the dark side easier... dooku and sidious/palpatine (yes dooku did know sidious was the emperor, grievous however did not) made a deal beforehand saying that he will kill obi wan and let anakin "capture" him, that was the plan they made... of course sidious planned for anakin to actually kill dooku never take him prisoner. this plan went perfectly except for the fact that obi wan survived because he and anakin fooled dooku during the battle and he was only wounded.

    sources - star wars: dark lord the rise of darth vader
     
  16. EHT

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    ^ True, but I believe the arrangement between Dooku and Palpatine (as far as Dooku knew, of course) was that if Dooku was losing to Anakin, Palpatine would stop the fight. So Dooku thought he had nothing to fear. Palpatine, meanwhile, actually knew that if Dooku could beat Anakin, Anakin wasn't worth it anyway. But if Anakin could beat Dooku, he was worthy, and Palpatine intended on letting that happen... which of course it did.

     
  17. Gary_Buchenara

    Gary_Buchenara Jedi Youngling star 3

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    That explanation does make sense in terms of who can beat who. Dooku disposes of Kenobi easily and holds his own with Yoda, so it would seem odd that he could be overpowered by Anakin at that point.
     
  18. Dark_Paoki

    Dark_Paoki Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Everything ok but then who can explain Dooku's choice not to talk....??

    Did Palpatine use some sort of "Force Shut The F... Up" to him?[face_laugh]
     
  19. Daft-Vader

    Daft-Vader Chosen One star 8

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    Yoda had Dooku beat - hence why he had to bring down the pole to escape...

    What was there to say? he was just stunned by being beaten...

    EU: he was probably also thinking back to the words of Yoda and Assajj Ventress in Dark Rendezvous...
     
  20. Dark_Paoki

    Dark_Paoki Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Well, I think that you proved me right...If Dooku was thinking of Yoda's pleas to him to leave the Dark Side, then wouldn't he do it at this ultimate moment...?

    The "stunned" theory also doesn't satisfy me...And such a blind devotion to Palpatine? Dooku doesn't seem to be like that....
     
  21. timmoishere

    timmoishere Force Ghost star 6

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    In the novel, Dooku pleads with Palpatine, saying "You promised me immunity!"

    Dooku was duped by Palpatine, plain and simple. He thought that if Anakin could somehow beat him, Palpatine would step in and save Dooku's life, allowing Anakin to take him into custody. But as is always the case with Palpatine, he has an extra plan in motion that no one else knows about.
     
  22. ZamWesell44

    ZamWesell44 Jedi Master star 4

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    He was just overpowered literally, It was not b/c Anakin, fought differently than he did in AOTC. The novel said something about Anakin, had almost unlimted stamina and power and Dooku could not keep up at that point.
     
  23. timmoishere

    timmoishere Force Ghost star 6

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    And he was caught off guard because Obi-Wan and Anakin kept changing their tactics.
     
  24. Avii

    Avii Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I believe that it comes down to the lightsaber styles the duelists were using. Dooku's style is more like fencing and is meant to have quick strikes and misdirection. Which is great when you are facing a person on the same strength and stamina level. On top of that Anakin used an aggressive style and Dooku didn't adapt his style to the situation. Hence he lost he hands and of course his life. Pity...He is my favourite sith.
     
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