Did Dooku regret harming Anakin?

Hey guys... From the look on Dooku's face after he slices Anakin's arm, it seemed that he regretted harming "the Emporer's prize". But I have read somewhere that Sith apprentices are motivated by jealousy and would-be apprentices often kill off other apprentices. Thus maintaining the "one master and one apprentice" quota. This seems to jive with ROTJ when Palpatine tells Luke to strike down his father and take his place at the Emporer's side. Would this mean that Dooku does not suspect Sideous' plans to one day have Anakin as his apprentice? And what is with Vader and Dooku saying, "join me" (to Luke and Obi Wan respectively)? Do they truly have aspirations of killing off Palpatine? If Luke had joined Vader and Palpatine would vader and Palpatine be considered "masters" and Luke become Vader's appretice? This would not work according to the 1 master - 1 apprentice equation.

Is this a look of regret on Dooku's face or fatigue?

 

It was because Dooku was worn out. He's in the middle of a lightsaber battle, and add to that the stress of war, he's not gonna be standing there being all hyper when he doesn't need to be. He only exerts himself when necessary during the battle.

And people put too much faith in the "rule of two." Rules can be broken.

Edit: And it's traditional for the apprentice to kill the master as a final test of their abilities. Perhaps Dooku and Vader both are/were getting tired of Palpatine at that point and thought they should be master.

 

I'm pretty sure he was about to kill Obi-Wan.

 

Myke, finally, another!

"I don't have an opinion worth arguing in EITHER direction, but it is clear that Dooku doesn't actually kill anyone himself in AOTC, and even seems discouraged when others are clamouring for bloodshed ("Patience, Viceroy...she will die"). He seems disgusted by it. AND, if he were a TRUE Sith, he would be taking every opportunity to kill Jedi, but instead simply pushes Anakin away after maiming him. He might just be a character who set out with good intentions, but once he started down that Dark Path, forever....you know the rest. "

I have been saying this forever, he discourages killing (politcal idealist.....not in his character) and stalls when others are going to.

He had yoda at his mercy,and walked away.

And no matter WHAT people say, watch his obi wan duel in super slow mo - that "death blow" was going for obi's hand, not head or anything else.

 

This brings up an interesting question:

Do you think Dooku would have killed Obi-Wan if Anakin hadn't blocked his lightsaber?

 

jedimasterousley - "This brings up an interesting question:

Do you think Dooku would have killed Obi-Wan if Anakin hadn't blocked his lightsaber? "

see my above post

watch it SLOW, and tell me it wasn't going for his hand

 

Oops, sorry, I didn't see your post, we posted at almost the same time. I'll have to check that out as soon as I can and watch where he's aiming.

 

i figured that

hahaha

yeah, watch it on dvd, super slow mo, freeze it when ani stops him, the saber is in line with obi's hand

it only makes sense, he nips his arm, nips his leg - after either one, could have lopped his head off

lopped off ani's arm, then deignited his saber when he had them at his mercy, and had to reignite when yoda showed up

then, when he collapsed the pillar and yoda threw his saber away, he could killed them all, but didn't

the man is not totally evil, if at all..

in a nice twist, i wouldn't be surprised to see mace be the jedi traitor (relax people) and dooku "joined" the sith to uncover who the traitor was, hence the showdowns and looks exchanged between them

 

I think he just had that look on his face, because he realized how weak the light side was at the moment. That seemed to be a look like you are the good guys and you're supposed to win. There is some good in Dooku still I think, but at the same time I think he would have killed Obi-Wan.

 

"Dooku doesn't actually kill anyone himself in AOTC, and even seems discouraged when others are clamouring for bloodshed ("Patience, Viceroy...she will die"). He seems disgusted by it. AND, if he were a TRUE Sith, he would be taking every opportunity to kill Jedi, but instead simply pushes Anakin away after maiming him. He might just be a character who set out with good intentions, but once he started down that Dark Path, forever....you know the rest."

"he discourages killing (politcal idealist.....not in his character) and stalls when others are going to."

Very good points! I've never thought it that way, but that sounds quite plausible, now that I think about it.

Dooku's face looks like he is sorry for Obi-Wan, but I thought he's kind of "evil gentleman" and is just pretending. And even if his saber wasn't aiming at Obi-Wan's head or something like that, I'm sure Dooku would've killed him.

wgautney also mentioned the Rule of Two, but ousley's right; nothing necessarily forces to obey the rule. Besides, I think Dooku was lying to Obi-Wan when he talked about destroying the sith.

 

interesting theory on Dooku being good and trying to expose the true traitor which will most likely be Mace.

 

chickadee - "And even if his saber wasn't aiming at Obi-Wan's head or something like that, I'm sure Dooku would've killed him. "

but he had three chances during the duel alone (not counting when he had him hoisted in that tractor beam thing when he talked to him.

dooku is a jedi, knows obi is a good jedi

he told him about sidious, and let him live - sure he out him and anakin in the arean, but outting jedi in chains against a pillar almost guarantees he didn't want them dead - if he wanted them dead, and was TRULY evil, he'd have beheaded them while shackled, wiithout their sabres.

 

he told him about sidious, and let him live - sure he out him and anakin in the arean, but outting jedi in chains against a pillar almost guarantees he didn't want them dead - if he wanted them dead, and was TRULY evil, he'd have beheaded them while shackled, wiithout their sabres.

Half of deceiving is telling a portion of the truth. He told Obi-Wan what he might want to hear. A little bit of truth, not much, but enough to perhaps get Obi-Wan to join him. Don't forget, Dooku was ready to kill him as well if Obi-Wan didn't agree.

At the point and time Dooku was fighting Obi-Wan and Anakin, he was trying to get away with plans for the Death Star. You don't waste time when there are higher priorities. You get out as fast as possible with the plans and worry about the Jedi later, as I think the movie showed.

Edit because I'm the typo Queen today

 

Onnie - "Don't forget, Dooku was ready to kill him as well if Obi-Wan didn't agree.

At the point and time Dooku was fighting Obi-Wan and Anakin, he was trying to get away with plans for the Death Star. You don't waste time when there are higher priorities. You get out as fast as possible with the plans and worry about the Jedi later, as I think the movie showed. "

And when was he ready to kill?

He didn't kill ANYONE in the movie, and, like we said, he kept stalling.

And listen, he's supposed to be a sith - you know, greedy, evil, jedi hating.

He had the head of the jedi council, the most prized jedi knight, and one who'd bring balance to the force, all in a VERY compromised position. Yes, escaping with the plans was the priority, but when he HAD to fight, he did, and had the upper hand, and chose not to finish it. Yoda or not, if the #1 jedi is busy using the force to keep a pillar from killing his two prized pupils, a truly evil sith (and especially a jedi who trained under yoda and knows his habits) would have no problem taking the 2 seconds it would take to kill 3 people (2 seconds to lop off yoda's head - pillar falls, bye bye obi and anni)

Don't you think, as a supposed jedi hater, he'd LOVE to be able to say he killed all 3 of these people by himself?

I know if I am a power hungry sith, I am taking out the special 3, then, after doing so, rethinking bringing the plans to my master cuz I just whipped some serious jedi arse.

Again, Dooku NEVER killed anyone, and kept avoiding murder as much as possible.

 

"Again, Dooku NEVER killed anyone, and kept avoiding murder as much as possible."

"a truly evil sith (and especially a jedi who trained under yoda and knows his habits) would have no problem taking the 2 seconds it would take to kill 3 people (2 seconds to lop off yoda's head - pillar falls, bye bye obi and anni)

The reason why he couldn't kill them is, IMHO, that he fought with the wrong persons. He fought with Anakin, Obi-Wan and Yoda, who are the main characters and will live in the time of OT. Had he fought with someone else, he would've killed him.

Remember "only Imperial stormtroopers are so precise"? They are never so precise when they're trying to kill Luke, Han and co. The bad guys can never kill the good guys, and that's why Dooku couldn't kill Obi-Wan and Anakin. And especially because of the continuity of the saga

"he's supposed to be a sith - you know, greedy, evil, jedi hating."

Darth Maul's hatred and anger were presented in a more visible way. I think Dooku has hidden his anger since he wants to be kind of 'gentleman sith'.

But really, your points about Dooku are very good, Darth-Bone, and I watch AOTC with new eyes now.

 

Count Doooku was very suprised at Anakin's skill even after defeating him. Even Master Kenobi didn't give him that much of a fight so surely he couldn't expect such an excellent duel performance from a padawan learner.

 

Chickadee - I know they are the main characters, but again, even when nute wanted jango to shoot padme, he held off (again a main character, but still)

george could have easily written the script to reflect dooku attacking yoda while he ahd the pillar - remember padme's line "we've got to get to that hanger" - and had the cavalry arrive to thwart dooku's attempt at taking out obi, anni and yoda, thus keeping the main people alive

and there were lots of secondary chracters, trebor coleman i think it was, landed on the balcony, jango shot him - dooku could have taken him out (i know, save his lightsbaer for the big three but still)

 

I immediately noticed this the first time I saw the film.

The novel goes a little deeper into the Anakin v. Dooku portion of the duel. Dooku recognizes Anakin's "unusual" powers and seems to show him a certain level of respect during the duel.

I think Dooku's reaction is a mix of regret and fatigue. Perhaps he sees Anakin as a potential apprentice in a future coup of Palpatine by Dooku?? Hmmmmm.....

 

Surely Count Dooku isn't an evil guy. He has his beliefs and follows them - he wants to save the Republic, because he knows what's going on, he knows about the Sith. I would say Dooku is neutral, he will do everything to succeed but he also has his Jedi values. He doesn't want anybody to get killed - we saw it with Mace Windu, with Obi-Wan and with Anakin. We saw that he cared for his people - look at Dooku's face when Jango dies and compare it with Palpatine's when Vader is defeated by Luke...
Dooku knows what he wants and if someone stood in his way he would kill him if he had to. He gave Obi-Wan his chance to back down and then duelled him when he refused. The same is true with Anakin - it was't Dooku's intention to fight with Annie ("I would have thought you had learnt your lesson) but he again had no choice. Then, after he defeated both Obi-Wan and Anakin, you see Dooku's face - he's saddened but knows he did the right thing.

 

To me, that shot always looked like it was an editing choice (like there was some dialogue or additional material right before it). It's interesting to think about the consequences if Dooku was actually on the side of right (of course, we would need to find a way to jive that with his refusal to release Obi-Wan and his talk with Sidious at the end). I'm very curious to see what Ep. III does with his character (beyond the obvious). Is he really the forerunner of the Rebellion?

What I'd like to know is what happened to the two clonetroopers who got off the transport with Obi-Wan and Anakin before the duel...