Did Mace Windu Fall to the Dark Side?

I maintain that Windu took revenge against Jango Fett by murdering him.

That put Mace Windu on the path to the Dark Side.

Later, he attempted to murder Darth Sidious.

Therefore, when he battled with Sidious, it was not to defeat the Sith. It was because now MACE wanted to be the head Sith.

Opinions? Clarifications? Am I wrong?

Mod edit: Mace: I don't think so.

 

Yes, you are wrong. What about that duel was anything other than self defense in a combat situation? Jango was shooting at him with deadly weapons, so Mace responded. In fact, Jango specifically sought out Mace, because Windu got the better of him in the private suite he was in with Dooku. Jango was trying to get revenge on Mace, not the other way around.

 

What about that duel was anything other than self defense in a combat situation? Jango was shooting at him with deadly weapons, so Mace responded. In fact, Jango specifically sought out Mace, because Windu got the better of him in the private suite he was in with Dooku. Jango was trying to get revenge on Mace, not the other way around.

No, Mace sought out Jango.

Watch again.

Jango Fett tried to murder Mace Windu, but failed! In only seconds Fett attempted to escape. Rather than let him go, now that his life was no longer in danger, Windu decided to follow him down. At this point, the Dark Side is taking over Windu, because he is seeking revenge [the Dark Side] because Jango had tried to murder HIM! On the balcony it was defense. After Jango escaped, Windu followed him to murder him. And he made it!

Palpatine to Anakin: [Dooku] was too dangerous to stay alive.

Windu to Anakin: [Palpatine] is too DANGEROUS to stay alive!
In both cases, Windu was allowing fear and revenge to guide him, and these are both of the Dark Side. I've also read that Vapaad, which he was an expert at, was of the Dark Side.

If you use the Dark Side... EVER... you are a Sith Lord. A Jedi must NEVER turn to the Dark Side! Ever!

A Jedi may make mistakes, but revenge is of the Dark Side. If you seek it, you are falling to the Dark Side.

 

I guess I'll be nice and just let somebody else tell you why you're wrong with the above description of events.

And waits.

 

actually he makes good points.

I don't totally agree with him, But to say he was whiter than white and wasn';t close to skirting the dark side *cough* Vapaad *cough* would be untrue.

 

No.

Mace didn't fall to the dark side. He fell to the street level.

 

Charn....

Go throw on your AOTC DVD real quick. Watch who goes down to the arena floor first.

 

I think he was talking about the fact he chopped Jango's head clean off after disarming him

 

Jango was not retreating by any stretch of the imagination there, either.

Sory, but continuing to fire while backing up is not "retreating". The Rebels running their asses off in TESB to try and get away from the AT-ATs are retreating; so are the Gungans in Episode I.

 

So you're saying Mace should have just let Jango, who is aiding a sith lord who istrying to murder countless Jedi and has built a army against the Republic get away? While Jango was still trying to escape, he was still shooting at Mace. Should Mace just let him get away?

And about Sidious, oh let's just send Palpatine to jail, where we all know that he will escape and try to take over again? After he killed three other Jedi infront of Mace? After he has pretty much complete control of the senate? Mace was going to end it, the way it should have been.

 

You couldn't be more wrong.

 

I don't totally agree with him, But to say he was whiter than white and wasn';t close to skirting the dark side *cough* Vapaad *cough* would be untrue.

Go ahead and make your case. If "skirting with the Dark Side" really isn't of the Dark Side and makes you dark, what IS making you dark?

 

Mace was not seeking revenge against Jango. Jango sought Mace out when he went down to the arena floor because Mace had dared to hold a lightsaber to Jango's throat earlier. And backing up while still firing your blasters does not mean you are retreating or that you no longer pose a threat.

Mace did not want to be "the head Sith". He wanted to destroy the Sith, and he did not think that arresting Palpatine would be a successful venture.

Touching the dark side briefly does not equal falling to it or becoming a Sith. If it did, Anakin would have become a Sith as soon as he killed the Tuskens in AOTC. If it did, Obi-Wan would have become a Sith when he briefly touched the dark side when his anger got the better of him in his fight against Maul (right before Maul Force pushes him down the shaft). If it did, Luke would have become a Sith when he briefly touched the dark side out of anger and defeated Vader in ROTJ... before realizing what had happened and then stepping back from the edge.

 

So you're saying Mace should have just let Jango, who is aiding a sith lord who istrying to murder countless Jedi and has built a army against the Republic get away? While Jango was still trying to escape, he was still shooting at Mace. Should Mace just let him get away?

If he stops fighting and starts running, yes.

Okay, I just watched the scene and realized I made a mistake. Windu did not chase down Fett from the balcony, Fett forced him down. THen Fett went to kill him, by attempting to get Windu's lightsabre. The rhino creature then trampled Fett, but Fett was stilling going to try to kill someone, anyway. By the time he turned around, Windu was running towards him.

Okay, so it can be interpreted, correctly, that this was not a case of murder because of revenge on Windu's part.

 

I think he was talking about the fact he chopped Jango's head clean off after disarming him

Hmmm... that's a part I hadn't thought of. Removing his arm already weakened him to the point he had no further defense. Following that with a decapitation...

that would be murder, would it not?

Thank you for pointing out something I didn't realize!

 

And about Sidious, oh let's just send Palpatine to jail, where we all know that he will escape and try to take over again? After he killed three other Jedi infront of Mace? After he has pretty much complete control of the senate? Mace was going to end it, the way it should have been.

Palpatine to Anakin, after Anakin had beated Dooku and now Dooku was at his mercy: Good, Anakin, good! Kill him! Kill him NOW!

Anakin murders Dooku.

Palpatine: He was too dangerous to be kept alive.

Anakin: I shouldn't have done that. It's not the Jedi way.

Palpatine: It is only natural. He cut off your arm, you wanted revenge. It wasn't the first time. Remember what you told me about your mother, and the Sand People?

It was then, with the Sandpeople, that Anakin completely fell to the Dark Side.

And then you have Luke being prompted by Palpatine in the same way:

Palpatine: Kill him! And take your father's place at my side!

See, Vader was evil and deserved death. But it wasn't Luke's place to kill himn then, because it would have been murder. Same with Dooku. Same with Palpatine.

Windu had beated Palpatine. He got rid of Palpatine's lightsabre and had exhausted the Dark Lord's power. At this point, Palpatine was pleading for his life. Windu ignored Skywalker's words, "It's not the Jedi way. He must live." And took it upon himself to commit murder...

even though Palpatine deserved it. If he had succeeded, Windu would become the new Dark Lord. So his becoming a Sith was inevitable.

 

Please do not post three times back to back. If you have more thoughts to add, please hit Edit and add them to your existing post.

 

Please do not post three times back to back. If you have more thoughts to add, please hit Edit and add them to your existing post.

[saluting]

This website is a bit difficult because on the reply page the post we are responding to is not available. If we could somehow see the words as the cursor is in the reply box, it would make it much easier!

Also, I was responding to three different people. Are we supposed to respond to different posts and points and put them all in the same response?

 

Killing someone in battle isn't murder. Mace didn't fall to the dark side, he uses his inner darkness as a positive attribute. I have no problem with Mace trying to take out Palps, because Jedi fight evil, and he was too dangerous to be left alive since he had control of the republic

 

I was just about to say that...

Like I just did? The easiest way is to right click the quote reply button and open a NEW window. Then, you can go back to copy the OTHER quotes from different posters and paste them in your new window. Then all you do is hit the "quote" button up above and type in the appropriate name. There is a limit to how many quotes you can include in one post, but IIRC, 3 of them should be no problem.

And, welcome to the boards.

 

The word "disarmed" usually doesn't mean that an arm was removed. You don't seem familiar with the scene in the film.

 

But according to the EU he survived.

 

most modern browsers also support tabbed browsing. Just open the thread up in a new tab, and copy/paste what you want to quote.

 

I was at work, and wasn't using Firefox...
Our system is archaic and doesn't work well with new versions of explorer.

Classic post Davi, "modern" lol.

 

Its not my fault sarcasm doesn't translate well to text...but, for old browsers, open up a new window instead of tabs...same idea...