PT Did Palpatine know Vader would be crippled on Mustafar?

The suit is awfully complex and he didn't have the time to make it before going to Mustafar to retrieve the wounded Vader. Was the suit made in advance, possibly prior to Anakin's turn? Were the Seperatists sent to Mustafar with the intention that Vader be crippled and therefore not a threat to the Emperor?

 

I don't think Palpatine knew he would be crippled. It was probably some anceint Sith armor adapted with life-support systems.

 

As being speculated elsewhere:

If Plagueis "unnaturally kept his apprentices from dying via cybernetics et all" (the people he selfishly cared about keeping around) and Palpatine learned "everything he knew" (about cybernetics and replacing organic limbs) then Vader's suit-components were readily available and easy enough for droids to assemble. Anger might have kept Vader alive, but nowhere is it mentioned that the suit's assembly required Palpatine's influence over the force. Unless I am gravely mistaken about that thing.

EDIT:

As for the question...
No.

The ROTS Novel made Sidious appear almost frantic to stabilize Vader...
If Palpatine had been forewarned, my guess is he would have been more callous.
"If he survives the trip back, so be it. If not, he wasn't strong enough blah blah blah."

I don't like the idea at all, that Palpatine knew anything.
Does nothing to improve the story.

 

Supposedly there was a history to Vader's suit discussed while ROTS was being made, but it never made its way into the film (Rick McCallum mentioned it). No details have been revealed, but it's a no-brainer that General Grievous was connected.

 

I don't think Sidious intended the suit for Vader. the whole "I sense Lord Vader is in danger" also "He's alive", sounded more like Sidious wasn't sure what was going on rather than forseen visions.

 

I think Palpatine's Overconfidence was His Weakness in this case. He was so high on Jedi Slaughter and Imperial Innaugerations that he didn't believe anyone could stop his shiney new "Chosen One" Apprentice at the moment...

But still...

"Everything is Proceeding as I Have Forseen..."

Vader's Armor was unique and waiting. I don't think Palpatine thought Anakin would get it so soon, but Vader's primary job was always going to be killing jedi... people lose pieces when playing with lightsabers. While I don't neccessarily think it was Palpatine's Objective to Cripple Vader, The New Emperor had contingency plans within contingency plans.

Plus you would not want your Athletic and Ambitious New Apprentice to be able to take you (yet)...

And before that first "NOOOOOOOOO!", I don't think Anakin has FULLY turned yet. Even with the slaughter of younglings and the jedi order in ashes, Anakin still thinks he can somehow make it right, that he is the chosen one, and he can fix it... he's good at fixing things. But after he learn's of Padme's death he loses all hope. Gives up. Wallows in the Dark Side.

Grievous is definately a part of the equasion. The Novelization (and other sources) talk about an orchestrated speeder wreck of some kind... Iregaurdless of that, He is definately a part of Sepratist Technology, And Sidious controls Sepratist Technology as surely as he controls Republic Policy.

And... I really hate to bring this up... I am wondering what they have planned for the Maul Ressurection on TCW. George is heavilly involved in the show, and his daughter is surely writing the episode. But if they fit him with some bionic legs, it'll make me wonder what monsterous get up Sidious had in mind for Tyrannus in case Anakin could hurt, but not kill him.

 

But still, he apparently had on hand a suit that was built to compensate exactly the kind of injuries Vader got. Almost like he knew Vader would be forced to wear an iron lung and life support system.

Damn, he was just that good...

 

The technology to meld humans with artificial parts seems on hand where ever there is civilization. Luke got a new hand as soon as he got on a medical ship for example. The cosmetic design might have been sitting around for ages.

 

Nah, not a chance about Palpatine knowing. The Dark Lord novel makes it quite clear that Palpatine views Vader's injuries as a distinct setback and not beneficial at all.

 

The problem would be that Plagueis' ability was said to come from the Force.

 

In the ROTS novel it says Palaptine "set his will upon him, "Live Vader, LIVE!"

 

Prior to the conflict with Obi-Wan, Palpatine seemed pretty confident in his apprentice's bright future:

YODA: (continuing) If so powerful you are, why leave??

YODA ignites his lightsaber.

DARTH SlDIOUS: You will not stop me. Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us.

DARTH SIDIOUS ignites his lightsaber.

YODA: Faith in your new apprentice, misplaced may be, as is your faith in the dark side of the Force.

Palps doesn't seem to be bluffing, & Vader becoming "more powerful than either of us" would hardly involve severe burns, the loss of his three remaining limbs & no further natural use of most of his vital organs.

 

So basically, there were life support systems out there, it took seven days to fully rebuilt Vader...

So Palpatine just grabbed whatever he could find and gave it to the med droids working on Vader?

 

I'm guessing the suit was just one of Palpatine's contingency plans, myself. Palpatine is no fool; the possibility that one of his apprentices could be severely injured had to have crossed his mind, and having a cybernetic life-support suit that doesn't really match any one person (it's a little loose-fitting on Vader in ROTS) is probably a good idea.

 

kind of, he sensed vader was in danger, he knew itd be best to get to Mustafar A.S.A.P!

 

Hasn't it also been said in Grievous' back story that he was envisioned by Lucas as a white, more extreme precursor to Vader, i.e. an organic being transplanted into a mechanical life support system?

 

If you look at some comics of the earlier centuries, there are Sith warriors in armor that is not too different looking from Vader's suit, my best guess is that Palpatine had some classic Sith armor handy and just quickly fitted the suit with cybernetic implants. We should also keep in mind that the suit obviously required maintenance and so as time progressed, the necessary upgrades would be implemented to make the suit more functional. At the time of Anakin's first fitting, the main goal was not to make the most combat ready and motor function responsive suit, but to hurry up and save Anakin from dying. Obviously, Vader had to go through physical therapy and cybernetic upgrades to get used to get fully used to the suit

 

I highly doubt Palpatine knew Anakin would end up crippled. I think he wanted Anakin for his potential. If he wanted Anakin for his potential, why would he want him crippled then? I doesn't make sense to me.

 

They did have some armed battle droids and Neimoidian soldiers with them, but since those all sucked, it didn't make much difference. They should have had droidekas and personal deflector shields.

 

Don't think even that would have helped much either.

 

Depends how many droidekas.

//cue Force Unleashed-esque dramatics

 

Did Palpatine know if Obi-Wan survived or not?

 

Yeah, he did.

 

As I posted elsewhere in the Lit:

Darth Vader fans will have plenty to talk about when the Darth Plagueis Novel comes out....
I don't mean his origins, as I'm only talking about the aftermath of Mustafar.

WARNING!
What you are about to read might change everything you think you already know.

Page 358:

"All the ones you experimented on, killed, and brought back to life... they were little more than toys. Now, though, you get to experience it from their side, and look at what you discover: in a body that is being denied air, in which even the force is failing, your own midichlorians can't accomplish what you're asking of them.

I could save you, of course. Return you from the brink, as you did Venamis. I could retask your body to repair the damage already done your lungs, your hearts, your aged brain. But I'll do no such thing." --Darth Sidious

People are going to have a field-day, debating that hot mess.
Especially in this thread.

Happy New Year.