Did Qui-Gon know he was about to die?

alright. I just got done watching TPM, and I have to say that I looked at the Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan vs. D. Maul scene just a bit differently.

we see qui-gon and maul seperated by the red energy fields. they glare at eachother for a second. then qui-gon sits down.

while originally, and mostly, i bought this as qui-gon trying to calm himself down, calling upon the force for help, meditation. W/E. But when he closes his eyes it kind of seems like what Old Obi-Wan does in ANH right before vader strikes him down.

though it is the look that most people have when trying to concentrate. I'd like to buy too far into this and say he might have been getting ready to become one with the force.

sorry for the long intro, post your comments please.

 

Of course he knew.

And hew of course realized what his Chosen One would become, right then. And he realized exactly why he must become what he would become in order to defeat that which he would become.

He saw the whole friggin saga right there, dude.

 

Agreed.

Qui-Gon had learned how to become "one with the Force," and he knew that was what he must do at that point in time. Obi-Wan knew the same thing approaching the duel with Vader, and he closed his eyes in concentration just before Vader struck him down. They were preparing themselves for the inevitable; but also preparing themselves to help save the galaxy.

 

Eh, I am not quite sure. I think Qui-Gon's learning how to retain his identity might have been an unconcious after effect of how he lived his life and how he died. Like he realised after he'd died that something wasn't right here and that *then* is when he really learned to start gaining back his identity in the Force.

He certainly was prepared to die if need be, but I don't exactly buy that right then and there he knew everything that was going to happen. Neither did Obi-Wan in ANH. Remember, the future is always in motion. If everyone knows everything, where's the faith?

-sj loves kevin spacey

 

Quigon was taught, in death, by a Shaman of the Whills, to retain his idenity after death.

 

oh how i love to stir up controversy.

i just through it out there to see others opinions. you can call off your dogs, now. haha.

 

I don't think he knew. I really think it was a suprise to everyone.

 

No, he didn't know. I don't understand why people hold Qui-Gon on such a pedestal. Yes, he discovered the immortality trick, but still.

 

Obviously he did, there's not really any other explanation for it.

 

Well, ok Stryphe, if he knew, it was only because he got the TPM soundtrack beforehand.

-sj loves kevin spacey

 

Yeah, that's something to be sniffed at, aint it?

I don't think Qui-Gon knew he'd die. He was outfought by a dirty opponent.

He knew he might die and I think he was the sort of character to ready himself for this possibility and accept whatever outcome the force chose for him.

I don't think he completely accepted his death until Obi-Wan promised to take on Anakin.

Kinda like Morpheus in the matrix, aint it? Respected but controversial figure discovers the chosen one of prophecy and is met with scepticism. Morpheus sacrificed himself in The Matrix 1 to ensure Neo escaped the agents, and Qui-Gon I think accepted his death when he knew Anakin had a chance to do the force's will.

I know I went off on one a little. I just saw a comparison and went with it

 

I don't think Qui-Gon knew he'd die. He was outfought by a dirty opponent.

How was Darth Maul a dirty opponent when it was a 2v1?

In my opinion, the Jedi didn't fight fair, they had the advantage and Maul still mopped the floor with Qui-Gon. When he seperated them and MADE it a fair fight, he showed how strong the Sith really are....An apprentice killing a great Jedi Master 1v1.

Now for the question posted, my answer is yes.

Qui-Gon realized during the fight how stong Maul was and how the Zabrak was controlling the entire tempo of the fight. If you read Episode 1 the book, it explains Qui-Gon's emotions and realization that Maul is superior in Lightsaber dueling.

His meditation before he died, shows how Qui-Gon was preparing for the end.

 

He's a dirty opponent because he was lacking the moral discipline of the JEdi (being a Sith and all!)

You don't think hitting Qui-Gon in the face with his saber handle was a cheapshot, or forcepushing Obi-Wan into the reactor shaft?

Qui-Gon did punch Maul in the face but then he knew he was dealing with a mindless killing machine.

This isn't even what the discussions's about though.

 

im not about to give him so much credit as he knew the entire saga. I would say that he figured there was a strong chance he would not make it out of the duel and so he took what he was starting to know about the living force and used it to become immortal, only he didnt disapear so its hard to know just how far he got.

 

I don't think he knew. That look on his face after being run through was too much of a look of surprise. Obi-Wan disappeared almost immediatley.

Besides, if Qui-Gon knew he was going to die, he would've backup up and joined together with Obi-Wan again. Who would want to die?

 

Besides, if Qui-Gon knew he was going to die, he would've backup up and joined together with Obi-Wan again. Who would want to die?


Old Ben Kenobi.

 

No, he didn't know. I don't understand why people hold Qui-Gon on such a pedestal. Yes, he discovered the immortality trick, but still.

I held Qui-gon up on a pedestal long before it was revealed that he was the first to achieve immortality. But first on the topic at hand, yes I think he knew he was about to die. I think he went into the fight intending to achieve victory, but after the doors closed separating him and Maul for the first time I think he began to recognize what his destiny was. So in preperation he knelt and began to meditate, but he was interupted and so he couldn't fully merge.

Now in reference to the pedestal. Qui-gon became my favorite overnight for his warm and compassionate nature. Viewing the Saga as a whole I can see alot of him in Old Ben, but at the same time he's unique in his own way. The Jedi have a very detached view on the world by nature, do to the way they are instructed. But Qui-gon is somewhat of a rebel in this regard because of how he subtely disagrees and even defies the teachings of the order. And yet despite being a Rebel the council obviously holds him in very high regard and seems to even respect his judgement against there own at times. Do you think that just any Jedi could have gotten Anakin his interview?
Overall I view him as the way the Jedi should be. A Jedi, but a Jedi with emotion. I think the best way to summerize his philosophy is, "Trust in the force, and follow your heart."

 

I don't think he knew. That look on his face after being run through was too much of a look of surprise.

perhaps it wasn't a look of surprise. might it have been a look as if to say "***t, that DOES hurt!"