PT Did Yoda confront Anakin about the Tusken slaughter?

In AOTC, Yoda clearly feels a disturance in the Force and relates to Mace that Anakin is in terrible pain. Yoda is clearly shaken by this, as his eyes well up with tears. Does Yoda know the nature of this pain, in that his mother had died and Anakin was seeking revenge on the tusken raiders? Or did he simply feel the disturbance of pain without knowledge of the slaughter? It's not explored any further in the film, but knowing Yoda's characterization, I would expect that Yoda would confront Anakin about his pain at some point. As far as I can tell, there's nothing in the EU that deals with this situation directly. When we get to ROTS, Anakin and Yoda share a private moment, but not one that deals with the incident. It may be related to a degree, though, if Yoda knows about Shmi dying. Otherwise, the conversation can stand on its own completely separate of AOTC.

Do you think Yoda knew about Shmi's death and the subsequent slaughter of the sandpeople? Did he confront Anakin about these events at some point after the film?

 

I dont believe he did but I do think he new what happened.

 

Well, this one goes to the old EU. It was revealed that Anakin only told a partial truth about what happened on Tatooine. He didn't tell them that when he got upset, that he went out and murdered the Tusken Raiders. Jedi Knight A'Shared Hett found out while on a mission with Anakin, which lead to problems due to Hett's ties to the Tusken Raiders. He tells Anakin at the end of the mission that he needs to come clean with Obi-wan and the Council, or he will. But neither one does. The Council and Obi-wan only know that Shmi had been taken and killed, but not what Anakin did next.

 

Puts me in mind of a proverb.

Proverbs 28:13 says: “He that is covering over his transgressions will not succeed, but he that is confessing and leaving them will be shown mercy.”

Giveb that Anakin was still a Padawan at the time, open confession of his losing control at this time need not have been the end of the world. Yes, it was a terrible thing to do, but it could have been addressed by further training and certainly not by letting him find himself in similar positions in the future without his Master to guide him.

 

Actually, he makes it clear that he's not going to tell- because that secret is Anakin's burden alone:

"Your secret is your burden to bear. Had I told Master Ki-Adi-Mundi, I would have relieved you of it. I will not do that. I carry my own burdens."

though he warns Anakin of what it may do to him:

"Your secret will eat at you as a Gouka Dragon gnaws through a planet's crust. It will consume you unless you summon the courage to face the repercussions of what you have done. You must first accept that what you did was wrong. And you haven't done that yet. Tuskens are animals to you, aren't they? In your heart, you believe that they deserved to die. Perhaps they did. But did you have the right to kill them? Would you do it again?"

Anakin's answer, after he departs, is

"Yes."

 

Well, he does confess. He just does so to the wrong person.

 

Exactly.

However, in a way, telling Palpatine isnt a confession. Palpatine has no "spiritual" authority over Anakin. The Council does.

 

Well, technically he did, since he was turning him into his Apprentice.

 

True, technically.
However, at that point, Anakin shouldn't have been going to Palpatine for moral guidance.

 

Yoda felt Anakin's pain, not the Tusken's pain. Obviously Anakin's pain was over the loss of his Mother.

So with that said, I always felt that Yoda never knew of the slaughter.

 

I find it is implied in the ROTS scene that Palpatine is the only person (other than Padme) that Anakin had told about it. If Anakin would have been "expelled from the Jeid Order" for disobeying Obi-Wan on Geonosis, he certainly would have been expelled had the Jedi known he had committed a mass murder.

 

But he wasn't expelled for ingoring Obi-Wan and we certainly cant say for certain that he would have been expelled as a Padawan for his actions on Tatooine. Its likely but not certain.

 

It seems like in the end of the AOTC novel or junior novel, Obi-Wan asked Anakin about why they were on Tatooine. He later asked Padme and she said that Anakin's mother had been killed by Tusken Raiders. Obi-Wan also figured that something more had happened and hoped that Anakin would one day tell him the truth. Though for now Padme seemed to helping Anakin and makes him happy.

 

I'd say he had some spirtual authority over Anakin, as we see in ROTS he even tricks Anakin into thinking what he did was right and gave him the justification to kill Dooku who was defenseless. Yoda knew, though, maybe not 100% the details but he does know Anakin was in pain and fed the anger and hurt with the darkside. He failed a test in Yoda's mind, but I can't see him knowing Anakin slaughtered everyone in the Tusken village and not bringing it up.

I remember in an EU comic another Jedi finds out while on a mission with Anakin to Tattooine, and he tells him that the only way he can cleanse himself is to be honest with the council and take whatever punishment they see fit... but I believe the Jedi dies before they return to Coruscant?

 

Because he didn't ignore him, he controlled his emotions and focused on doing his duty. Did you watch AOTC?

That Jedi was A'Sharad Hett. He keeps Anakin's secret because he feels it is Anakin's burden to bear or tell the truth. It is a view not many other Jedi would have agreed with.

 

Of course I watched Anakin ignore his orders by leaving Naboo to go to Tatooine, watched him ignore all of his training by getting emotionally attached to Padme and ****ing her, and watched him ignore Obi-Wan by going to Geonosis (Padme's argument to help Anakin is weak at best).

PS. as a side point, Padme shares near equal blame for Anakins fall. She is an enabler. She's succumbs to his teenage advances (some teachers have been jailed for that), she comforted but did not counsel Anakin for his actions on Tatooine) and then encourages him to ignore his Masters orders in going to Geonosis.

 

This along with investigating the true origin of the Clone Army is something I felt ROTS should have addressed.

 

That first part....bit of an odd logic, as far as I can tell. If you now know something then doesn't that become also your secret and your burden? If he knows what Anakin did and knows it to be wrong...isn't it his duty to inform the Jedi? If I find that a colleague of mine has body parts hidden in his freezer, and I know how they got there...that knowledge becomes my burden.

Reading the rest of the comments, and pondering on this - it seems to be that the leeway given to Anakin by those closest to him, those who loved him, enabled his fall. Obi-Wan 'knew' about his feelings for Padmé (hence going to Padmé when he tells Yoda he doesn't know where to find Anakin....which Yoda tells him, he does really) Padmé knows what he did on Tatooine, but she never betrays that, nor does she seem to question that Anakin clearly hasn't addressed that with the council.

This flies in the face of the idea that Anakin's fall was predicated upon the strictness of the Jedi order and how he was treated. It is actually through the leeway he is given by those who love him that allow his flaws to flourish; his deceptions to stand.

I think if the Jedi knew of these things then they could have addressed them with Anakin, and perhaps those who allowed him such benefit ought to have addressed their concerns more thoroughly.

 

He just doesn't want to be in the middle of it. Later on when he has become evil, I think it gets brought up.

Right. And now you understand the depths of their failures.

 

Probably and Anakin could expect no less given the rules on attachment. (Whether you feel those rules are balanced or not.)

My bad. Anakin's portrayal makes me think he's nothing more than a besotted teen than a tween.

Padme however, being the "mature" one, should have had the strength to say "no". The future of that relationship was only going to lead to ttrouble. Whether you agree with "one night stands" or not, keeping it to that would have been better than exacerbating the problem by continuing the relationship. Anakins reasoning behind all of that, justifying what he was doing, wasn't coming from the head on the top of his shoulders.

Agreed on all fronts. She didn't give a ****. However, given TCW, she had a lot to do with the Jedi Council later and relied on them a lot after. She should have encouraged Anakin to come forward or at least have confided in Obi-Wan, who she was close to and kew Anakin loved like a brother.

 

Its the power of the "Dick"side.

 

From what the films show, no.